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Just prepping Thanksgiving dinner.
I liked your analogy with either ridding the world of the internet or ridding the world of guns. Both are tools, both can be used for good or evil. I chose the internet. Some may choose guns. But then you moved in a different direction.
You asked if I'd rather leave a child alone with an internet connected device or a loaded firearm. My response to that ridiculous question would not be parallel nor indicative in any way of support nor abandonment of my position.
I believe the internet has a worse effect on mankind than TNT. Would I rather give a child a smartphone or a stick of dynamite with a lighter? Stop being silly Ron. I know what you're doing.
I wont partake in it.


I don't think I'm the one being "silly."

If you genuinely believe that...

1) The internet is "the worst thing to ever happen to mankind."
2) You would rather rid the world of the internet than guns.
3) A PC running the internet is more dangerous than a loaded gun (which you emphatically stated as "100%").

... then, if you're being consistent, you would feel more comfortable leaving your child alone with a gun than with the internet. It's that simple. But if you would NOT be more comfortable leaving your child with the gun, then perhaps it's time to reevaluate your stance on this issue.

Food for thought. And no need to respond.

Take care.

Ron

So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?
Are you kidding?
A child running around a house with a loaded gun, TNT, scissors, a knife, sulphuric acid, uranium, molten lava, has absolutely nothing to do with my position.
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TNT has been pretty rough for society.
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So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but TNT and dynamite are quite different from each other, TNT doesn't come in sticks, and it is not detonated by a flame or fuse.
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So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but TNT and dynamite are quite different from each other, TNT doesn't come in sticks, and it is not detonated by a flame or fuse.

Tell that to Wile E Coyote
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So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but TNT and dynamite are quite different from each other, TNT doesn't come in sticks, and it is not detonated by a flame or fuse.

Tell that to Wile E Coyote


Or AC/DC
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I might offer that cartoons and song lyrics are perhaps not the best sources of fact.
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So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but TNT and dynamite are quite different from each other, TNT doesn't come in sticks, and it is not detonated by a flame or fuse.


In the real world TNT is actually quite difficult to detonate! I am too lazy to look it up but didn't it take about 25 years after the discovery to even figure out that it could be detonated?
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So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?

Not to put too fine a point on it, but TNT and dynamite are quite different from each other, TNT doesn't come in sticks, and it is not detonated by a flame or fuse.

In the real world TNT is actually quite difficult to detonate! I am too lazy to look it up but didn't it take about 25 years after the discovery to even figure out that it could be detonated?

I don't know the timing, but it is quite difficult to detonate. It needs a blasting cap (i.e., a small explosion from a more sensitive explosive).

It can be melted, poured, and cast, which, along with its general insensitivity, makes it an excellent explosive for munitions.
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I posit that these three statements have completely different meanings and shouldn't be confused:

The internet is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind.
The internet is the most dangerous thing to ever happen to mankind.
The internet is the deadliest thing to ever happen to mankind.
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Agreed.
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I posit that these three statements have completely different meanings and shouldn't be confused:

The internet is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind.
The internet is the most dangerous thing to ever happen to mankind.
The internet is the deadliest thing to ever happen to mankind.
Internet ungood?

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Just prepping Thanksgiving dinner.
I liked your analogy with either ridding the world of the internet or ridding the world of guns. Both are tools, both can be used for good or evil. I chose the internet. Some may choose guns. But then you moved in a different direction.
You asked if I'd rather leave a child alone with an internet connected device or a loaded firearm. My response to that ridiculous question would not be parallel nor indicative in any way of support nor abandonment of my position.
I believe the internet has a worse effect on mankind than TNT. Would I rather give a child a smartphone or a stick of dynamite with a lighter? Stop being silly Ron. I know what you're doing.
I wont partake in it.


I don't think I'm the one being "silly."

If you genuinely believe that...

1) The internet is "the worst thing to ever happen to mankind."
2) You would rather rid the world of the internet than guns.
3) A PC running the internet is more dangerous than a loaded gun (which you emphatically stated as "100%").

... then, if you're being consistent, you would feel more comfortable leaving your child alone with a gun than with the internet. It's that simple. But if you would NOT be more comfortable leaving your child with the gun, then perhaps it's time to reevaluate your stance on this issue.

Food for thought. And no need to respond.

Take care.

Ron

So, if I would rather my child be in the house with a mouse in his hand connected to a PC than have him holding a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo in the other it means I believe dynamite is worse for society than the internet?
Are you kidding?
A child running around a house with a loaded gun, TNT, scissors, a knife, sulphuric acid, uranium, molten lava, has absolutely nothing to do with my position.


First, nobody mentioned "a stick of TNT in one hand and a zippo n the other" except you. Nor did anybody mention scissors, a knife, sulphuric acid, uranium, or molten lava. Let's stick to what you said. Which is:

1) The internet is "the worst thing to ever happen to mankind."
2) You would rather rid the world of the internet than guns.
3) A PC running the internet is more dangerous than a loaded gun (which you emphatically stated as "100%").

Seems pretty cut and dry. But feel free to rewrite/clarify those statements if they were hastily written. Or not.

Ron
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Correct. It is cut and dry. NOBODY mentioned a child with a loaded gun, except you.

I will reiterate my response to your question since you seem to be having trouble.

Question: "So just so I understand, are you of the opinion that a PC running the internet is more dangerous than a loaded gun?"

Answer:"100%"

See Ron? Or do you still want to pretend I said anything about children handling weapons unattended.
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The internet is the worst thing to ever happen to mankind.
What reasoning and evidence informs this opinion?
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Where should we begin Jon?
Should we take something most agree is really bad for mankind and compare?
Uranium enrichment? Guns?
The Holocaust? The Plague? Specialization? The Ice Age? The lever? Smile
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That's exactly what I'm asking. Why do you feel it's bad? And how do you get to "worst"?
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As I stated earlier, "...it is probably not quantifiable and it is subjective. Maybe it would be easier to deal with specifics- at least superficially so we can cover more of them ."
So, I feel it is bad because of any and all bad that it either causes, promotes, popularizes, propagates,or facilitates.
I feel it is the worst because I feel the negative impacts of the internet outweigh the negative impacts of anything that has come before it.
We touched on bullying and some great points were made all round. Do you suggest another sub topic?
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Your opinion is your own.
Bullies don't do so well against police and social services: https://www.stopbullying.gov/cyberbullyi......dex.html
People tend to be less violent when they know they are on a live camera.

And when something medical happens - help is a click away: https://www.mdlive.com/
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