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Emazdad
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Last year Billy turned up at a gig, he'd been booked through an agent for walkabout baloon modelling. When he turned up the booker said, we've got your show programmed in for 8:00, Billy explained he was there only to balloon model not to do a magic show and showed the guy the contract. He explained couldn't do a show as his stuff was at home. The booker said Oh we told the agent we wanted a magic show, and got on the stage and anounced that there would not be a magic show as the magician had forgotten his tricks. Billy was furious and will not work for that agent, or that venue again.
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See, that is exactl;y the type of nitemares I hear about and try and avoid. There are so many agents and angencies out there that just do NOT know what they are doing. This is why I do what I stated above and it is also why I not only get intreviewed by the agency.. I interview them myself. Just as they need to know about me and my business, I need to know about them and how they work.

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I know that the customer isn't always right, that's why I put the smilie in.
If I feel that it is inapropriate to work outside I will give the client my reasons and they usually agree.
I also use balloons but so far haven't had any probs.
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Emazdad
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If your just making them and giving them out, it's no problem, if like me you use balloons during the show, then the ones you pre-make ready for the helpers, and the large bribery and corruption balloon that the best behaved loudest magic word shouter wins, can get blown about, and burst on plants /walls nearby.
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I think if your new to magic still a bit inexperienced outdoor shows are just a bad idea! you really need the experience on how to handle situations as they arise.......I always tell the people booking me that the show is to be indoors, if they insist on it being outdoors I explain to them that if the show is out doors I can not offer the 100% money back gaurantee because I can not control environmental issues......I had a bunch of bee's decide to join the audience at a b-day party so I had to wrap it up ten minutes early....the first few outdoors programs were nightmares for me but now I am actually enjoying them and I will be starting outdoor festivals this fall but the difference is I will be able to control a lot of the outdoor situations!
that reminds me Kyle did you get my email?Im looking for that info we talked about, when you get a chance!
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Macmagic:

I am not sure I ever received your e-mail. If you can resend the e-mail and remind me of the information your looking for, I would be happy to get that over to you.

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Over here there are out door events virtualy all year round, so the Swedish people come prepared for the weather. I regularly perforn shows outdoors in Nov. and Dec. when it could be -5 or more. I must say that even then I enjoy it. I have even done shows when it has been raining, of course I have been under cover but the public haven't.
Yes Clive I mainly make balloons to order so to speak.
Although sometimes have taken some ready made if there has been a great many kids. I keep them in large see thru bags and secure the bags to anything that is handy such as small trees. The hardest part is trying to blow them up in the winter.
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Just to answer Mikael's question here. No. But this is basically by virtue of the type of entertainment we do and props used.

If I wanted to I could put together an outside performance show and invite you all round for tea and cakes at the same time. I'm no magical genius - but it's just common sense really isn't it?

I'd just say to any outside performer though, whether you live in Sweden or California. It's always a good idea to advise the Customer to have emergency indoor facilities available should the weather really break. You really don't want to have lots of bad weather cancellations do you, and have to go through the process of obtaining the fees (because you were not to blame for the weather were you? and they knew it could happen!) There are also of course the various problems working outside of becoming surrounded and being unable to perform some (well, many) magic routines, of overheated livestock (you don't want to produce a dead bunny that's just expired through heat exhaustion do you? aaghhh . . . what a nightmare!!), and of course the slightest breeze can carry away silks etc. You know all this of course though, don't you . . .

Oh yes, (when I start my mind just carries on like a computer sifting back over 25 years of entertaining!). What about those gardens that some folks have that are full of play equipment. Even the best in the world is not going to keep those little bottoms on the grass for any length of time with all this stuff! and what about Peggy! You know Peggy don't you? She's that huge Labrador dog that the only time she is still is when she is either asleep or dead! Do you really want to work outside while Peggy is there . . .
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Hi,
Silly Billy has a graet section in his lecture notes about this, performing outside brings out to many distractions, sun, too cold, bouncy castles, wind and sometimes you will need a pa system, tips od silly are say things like 'ill have to charge £10 extra, I have hayfever, charge extra for the pa system' basically make up excuses as ive never dome a good show out side exept in a tent, and I learned from my mistakes always ask for the bouncy castle to be let down as if the kids get borred they wil goo one the bouncy castle and this can be very frustrating
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If the kids are bored, then you have bigger problems than a bouncy castle! You should work very hard to make your act the quality that it can draw and maintain a crowd, even outdoors.

(You just opened up a can of worms with that comment about kids being bored. Smile)

The fact that most bouncy castles have noisy motors (so my audience can't hear the show) is why I don't want to perform beside them. But the castle can be at the other end of the field, no problem.

I've also had to work beside a noisy generator, and had the same problem of the audience not being able to hear the show. I don't really get why some customers think they need to position the generator right beside the stage. The audience wants to hear the act on the outdoors stage, not the generator. (Now I know why I have to give some customers advice. Common sense sometimes is lacking.)

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Things like this you have to be profesional about explain to the person why you cant do that the y will take your advice and respect you for it

Even if the kids aren't bored the older ones want tio go on the castle and the others follow.

I think people don't realize what they are doing employing a magician to work by a genorator

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Another thing I should point out, is that you can say to your customer that the kids will be distracted. Never tell them that the kids will be bored. Those are two different things, anyways.

If you tell the customer that kids will be bored watching your show (or worse, if it is true), then you are not winning a customer. Try to use the correct words to explain what you mean, so the customer has a better idea of what you mean.

By the way, I am not saying to be dishonest and lie. You should always be 100% honest with your customers.

- Donald.
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I had one women hire lots of indoor play stuff so the toddlers who stayed with mum and were too young for the party could play on it at the back during the show. I had to explain that it would distract the kids from the show, and if one kid decides to go and play with little bro' others would follow.

I told her it's best for the toddlers to stay firmly on mum's lap and got her to put the play stuff out of bounds during the games and magic show. This will teach her to read the party tips page, as it was only a 2-hour long party, and I was booked for the 2-hours and that meant she'd hired this stuff for nothing. My tips page does say all toys, bouncy casles etc have to be put away before the party.

The problem is not the kids getting bored with the show, it's too many choices, by limiting the choices at a party IE when the shows on it's the only thing happening, you have no problems. They are used to watching tv and playing at the same time at home. Give them a choice and some will want to watch, go play, come back, go play etc as they try and do both.
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Outdoors is fine, but you do have to watch out for nieghbors catching a free show from behind you sitting on a balcony. Plus the extreme heat and strong winds don't help either. So it's a good idea to suggest that indoor performing space be available in case outdoors is not suitable.
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Well actually its only happend once, with the bouncy castle and another place were I work they give the kids their food and drink while I'm bout to start in like a box, It doesn't bother me I'm fine I don't see the problem. Unless they get mukky hands on my prstine ironed silks!
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I hate when they set up a table of food right near the show space and kids get up to get food in the middle of the show. They never take their eyes off me as the walk across the room and end up tripping!
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I'm lucky at a hotel I work the food is so horrible they don't dare touch the stuff!
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"I can certainly do thev show outside if the weather is good. But there has to be good solid shade for both me and the audience, and there has to be dry level ground."
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I love to perform outdoors and my act is set to work both inside or out with some slight modification! Although I work with a Party store to book me I always make a call to the Host/ess of the party to confirm the time and discuss the performing space. It's easy enough to make changes if I know before hand that I'll be outside.

Fortunately I haven't had problems with bounce castles or other attractions but then again, the summer is just about to begin.
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Great, my first outdoor show at 4 PM today and heat index is suppose to be 103. It's under a pavilion however. I'll know what to say at least (suggest) the next time.
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