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On Oct 28, 2019, Wravyn wrote:
Gentlemen, thank you for taking the time to answer. I do think I understand the
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As Mindpro mentioned, the real estate and house flip seminars that take place at hotels are the reason I asked. I had heard some radio promotions about a seminar for house flipping which instigated my question.


The hotel industry has changed significantly in the past few decades. Few if any hotels actually run the restaurants in the buildings. Often they are leased out space. It is less expensive this way. Forget Vegas as a hotel model. That is an anomaly and not the norm in the industry.

Hotels suffer from being VERY top heavy in management structure. They have a manager for food and beverage, rooms division, security, grounds, housekeeping, night manager and on and on. ALL of these people have the power to say no to you, while few if ANY have the power to say yes to you.

THEN IF you manage to get some sort of deal for whatever you deal with the administrative side of sales and groups and blah blah blah. Another group who can say no.

In such a structure what you end up with is a lot of people looking to impress to move up. This will often mean nobody wants to take a risk and do something new, unless it has been tried before. Most of the flipping seminars and things of that nature happen on WAY off days. Days when the room will have almost no competition for space like weddings or corporate events.

Understand that hotel people worldwide are concerned with 2 things. Heads in beds and a rack rate. That is to say people paying for a room, and what that room is being sold for. They simply do not know much about entertainment. This is not a knock on them, but it is not their business to know. They after all probably went to college for hotel stuff. If you hit them with the things that will need to be done for your show at a hotel it will cause them to go running into the woods and curl up in a fetal position crying. It is diametrically opposed the way the 2 businesses run.

It worked in Vegas well but the model has changed significantly. Almost every deal in Vegas is a 4 wall or modified 2 wall deal. VERY few are paid a salary to do what they do. Yes you can cite all the exceptions to the rule you want but it won't change the fact that most are on their own. Heck Cirque' is on that sort of deal.

Having people to pull from and market to directly isn't always all it is cracked up to be. If the hotel is not aiding the effort it is almost meaningless. Also just having a random bunch of people who are not the target audience for your specific show really is not the way marketing works. Yea it is a lot of people in one space that you can tell about the show. But in the end it really is not a great source to pull from often.

For example go to a place like Key Largo. Yep lots of tourists. BUT the are there to fish and dive. These activities happen quite early in the morning and by night time people are just tired. Most who live there are house poor. They have all their money tied up in an expensive house with little disposable income. So a hotel deal there is not really a great idea, even in season. (Yea been there done that.)

If you are talking about a hotel touring show, expect to be disappointed. Like I said pulling from a random group of people to a specialized type of show is just not an easy thing to accomplish. Plus often people at hotels already have another agenda that does not really include a random show they happen to hear about or see a poster for.

"Can" it work? Sure anything is possible. It is just a heck of a mountain to climb.

This is only from my experience in the worldwide hotel industry for the past better than a decade. I am almost certain I am going to be corrected by the worlds foremost authority.
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While it had nothing to do with entertainment... I worked for a hotel / resort complex for about a year and what Danny said that really hit home was the number of managers that had nothing better to do than walk around and look for something to.. umm... manage? ha.
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I agree with what you are both saying. However, and rare as it may be, if you can find that one management person that IS interested in what we do, IS interesting in what is now NTR to the hotel and hospitality current landscape, and that believes and sees the potential in you and your ideas and concepts, if they are in your corner AND CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS you, your offerings and the type of deal that could be win-win, some amazing things can still happen.

Yes, it is the exception to the rule in today's market, but it can still exist. You have to seek it, it will not seek you. Also one should remember that turnover is HUGE in the hospitality industry, especially in management. Like in corporate America and most business today, gone are the 30, 30 and 40+ year employees. So if you do find and connect with that right person, more than likely they will also take you with to other properties they move on to as well. I can honestly say that is how two of my biggest resort accounts fell exactly into place.

There is also a whole dynamic that this can trigger as well (with other management personnel) that can better position us in these situations.
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Generally when you find that person they end up moving to a higher position because they DO have vision. When that happens the entire project falls apart.
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Boy, reading through this topic, I can't believe all the bickering going on, which has nothing to do with the topic. So far the OP has not answered any of the questions asked and has not even given what he means by a "small town". Clearly, he has nothing to find out what he means by "small towns", there are in his area around Raleigh, North Carolina.

There are small towns with 50 to hundred people, a couple stores and a gasoline station. There are small farming towns that use to be vibrant, and have an old theater, closed down. There are towns with no schools, only one giant school that the children have to be bused to, within a 20 mile radius, that may include a number of small town communities.

He says he has the shows and skill, but does not want to work hard to make his idea come true.

So come on guys, give this member the secrets to getting shows booked in his surrounding area of Raleigh, North Carolina, with the least amount of work. We all know you are holding back.
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Very True Bill. Many people have no idea what a small town is. Some places you would need every person in town to come to the show to pay the rent. Lots of those around here. The trick is to do the show in one of the larger towns nearby and include all the surrounding small towns in your promotions. Country folks have no problem traveling 30,50 or more miles to visit the closest Wal-Mart and will come see a show IF correctly invited.

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On Oct 20, 2019, KC Cameron wrote:
I've decided to have a traveling show.

I plan to go to the small forgotten towns not close to a city. I plan to offer a kids show, a mentalism show, and a hypnotism show. over the weekend. All self-funded. I just need to know the ins-and-outs of setting it up. Are there any materials on this, any coaches, anything?


I disagree, there has been quite a bit of valuable information offered to him on his inquiry.

Also, let's not get off-topic here, he is not looking to get booked in his surrounding area of Raleigh, he is looking to produce his own self-produce 4-wall traveling roadshow. He not looking for bookings, he's looking for the business aspects of doing this.

He has contacted Danny and I and another here and has defined what he is seeking and his definition of small towns." No, he is not looking for small, country, or farm towns of 50 people, but towns "not close to a big city" as he clearly stated in his first post. He also never said anything about "country folks."

So let's try to stay on topic here. He was looking for "ins-and-outs of setting it up" and any resources or coaching on this. He wasn't seeking ideas, but actual experience and detailed information.

Producing a touring or roadshow is much different than booking local gigs. It is this that he is seeking, and information on this is being offered.
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Translation... mindpro got a new coaching client. $$$
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I was actually the last one he contacted, lol.
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On Nov 4, 2019, Bill Hegbli wrote:
He says he has the shows and skill, but does not want to work hard to make his idea come true.


I never saw him say he "doesn't want to work hard to make the idea happen?" Does everyone just make their own stuff up now?
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I thought he was looking for the most efficient way to accomplish the task. I believe this is an intelligent approach.

Also living in a small town in NO WAY qualifies one as some sort of an expert in how to set up and sell a show in small towns. That is crazy. Does that mean that anyone who lives in large cities is somehow an expert in selling and setting up shows in cities? How ridiculous.
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I hate to break the news but if you go outside the city to “small forgotten towns not close to a city” you going to find a lot of country folks. Taking advice from a city slicker not understanding the real world may not be such a good idea.

Also, a kids show, a mentalism show, and a hypnotism show is not the best combination to travel with if you ask me. But I do wish him luck.

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It’s a shame he just left the thread though. I’ve done exactly what he’s talking about doing (minus the magic) in various venues in north and South Carolina and also Georgia and Tennessee which aren’t too far away from him (darn close in the touring world!).

I kept going back to Greensboro, always had a nice audience there and each time I returned, I got a bigger audience.

Not saying I’m the expert... danny and mindpro certainly know more on the hypnosis show side of things that’s for sure. But I was looking forward to the thread continuing and seeing what could be learned.
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Yeah, me too, I must agree. But I will tell you this, bumpkin business will not help him get the job done and be the type of help he will need to succeed.
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On Nov 4, 2019, TomBoleware wrote:
...if you ask me.
Tom


I don't belive he or anyone did.
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It is a shame and sad that this forum is often viewed as a recruitment section by some instead of a discussion forum where many opinions can be shared.
Shutting out all voices but one is not fair to the members here. But oh well, time will tell.

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Well pointing out less educated voices is a pretty good thing though. Yea opinions can be DISCUSSED. Which means showing where an uneducated uninformed opinion will fall apart when actually tried.

The idea of a "city slicker" is just crazy. Marketing is marketing. People are motivated by the same basic things. Ask Maslow. It just comes to knowing what motivates people

Often a "city slicker" coming in and doing a show is a GOOD THING. When coming in and taking the time to bring a production TO people instead of blowing them off as not worthy it REALLY can sell.

You can pose and pretend all you want but the fact is if you are not out there doing it regularly it is just armchair quarterback nonsense. One old person living in a particular small town is in no way a qualification in and of itself. Being through literally HUNDREDS of them over 30 years sort of IS. Even if it makes you an expert in THAT TOWN, which I am not saying it does, it has nothing to do with touring a show in 2019. WHICH IS THE POINT OF THIS THREAD.

More sad than this being a recruitment section is that some view this as a place where they can spout off irrelevant incorrect information based on the "I am entitled to an opinion" theory of helping.

Actually touring with those shows in small markets may be the PERFECT idea if they are all well rounded and can sell. The point is that you don't do all 3 in any one given market. If someone wants a family show then you do that. If they want a mentalism show you can offer that and hypnosis same. You can hit them with whatever the specific need might be. It is not a bad thing to try to do.

I knew a guy in Iowa whose goal was when they called and asked what he did his response was "what do you need"? I do not do things this way AT ALL but can see some value in it easily.

It is a shame though that he has to wade through a bunch of opinions from someone not actually doing the work.
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A bunch of opinions? I only see where a couple were offered, the other 5 pages is demanding that everyone else is wrong and they should shut up.


Oh well

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Try harder. You can do it.
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Hopefully, now he'll stop and it's over.
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