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Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, MitchellK wrote: Yes, as I said its hands off. They pull it out and put it into their pocket. They cannot open the envelope or go "CSI" on it (if they did then you need to work on your audience management). You should be able to buy what you need from a stationery store and make up the gimmick. there is nothing "fancy" required. |
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: This is super helpful and explains a lot (including the Scott Creasey comparison...). Does this require the gimmicks they send? You say these can be made up by yourself easily enough -- does that apply to all different sized envelopes? Is whatever they send more or less a "sample" gimmick? Or is it providing something necessary to make them yourself? |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Martin Duffy wrote: Thicker than a whale omelette springs to mind. |
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: I'm kind of curious, if this is the case, why this isn't just offered as a download? |
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Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, no2ss wrote: From the video it looks like you get a sample made up to play with plus some extras to make your own . They actually make one up in the video so you can follow along. I suppose it could be adapted to envelopes a bit bigger but the business card size seems to be the best as its a close up tool. There is nothing fancy required. As for why it isn't just a download ? The DIY will take about 10 minutes to do. Its not difficult but not as easy as cutting a window into an envelope. The sample would be handy to get the feel of it. |
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no2ss Inner circle California 1027 Posts |
Thanks, Mr. Dural. Very helpful.
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3253 Posts |
Thx for the info Mr. Dural. Very helpful and much appreciated.
That trailer is useless.
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2710 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: Thank you very much. Exactly as I suspected. I wish I had been there when they made up the ad. Bro: "How can we sell this to more people than we really should?" Other Bro: "Let's tell them this allows them to perform the best trick in magic and mentalism, they can get the info hands off AND from a mile away." Bro: "Huh? Why would you make a spectator walk a mile, write something on the top quarter of a business card and then have them walk a mile back to you?" Other Bro: "Eh... excercise is good." Bro: "Ok."
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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Josh Burch Regular user 163 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote: The envelope is placed on the top of a pile of envelopes, they place the card inside and take the envelope with them. You need to have the stack of envelopes in order to know their thought. They can fill it out a mile away, of course, but they need to get the stack of envelopes back to you, then they can return to their position a mile away. Not a super useful quality. |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1579 Posts |
Thanks for the summary Mr. Dural, but now the bigger question...How do you actually READ the written information without having to turn your back on the audience or drop a pencil under a table? With 4DT and the use of the Shaxton envelope, the action is motivated within the framework of the routine. Could this be done similarly?
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2710 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Josh Burch wrote: Yeah, I got that (see my earlier post). Thanks anyway, appreciate it!
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
The demo, like all demos is meant to get you curious. They do say " the spectator hand delivers you the info " before the "mile away" line. I doubt that a "mile away" was meant to be taken literally.
I can see how it can be misconstrued but if you watched the demo closely you would see that he gets the stack back first. I will say this much, it is a very, very good tool. How many other envelopes do you know of where you don't have to touch it after the spectator has written information ? |
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Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Jared wrote: You can get the information easier/faster than you would with a regular Shaxton. The peek can be so quick that it would be more like a sleight than overt action motivated within the construct of a routine. |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2710 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: It seems to be a nice tool indeed. But I'd say there's a big difference between getting people interested and flat out overpromising & underdelivering. Why not stick to the facts? If you want to create a sustainable relationship with your customers, that is ... .
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3253 Posts |
Thx to Mr Dural I may take the plunge.
But I’ve never ended up actually using anything from the Brothers historically. I like them, but I’ve been underwhelmed in the past. This has my attention though, so thanks yet again Mr Dural
Look for all the world like you're counting the brain cells in his cranium.
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Mr. Dural Loyal user 273 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, 252life wrote: I think you will like it. There is a lot of routines you own (yes, I am watching you) that you can easily adapt this for. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
I'm more concerned that you can only write on one quarter of the card (if I read Mr. Dural's comment correctly that is)…
if its limited to that, then I'd stick with A.N. and get what I need as I put it in an envelope and give it to them to seal and keep...
I've asked to be banned
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itsmagic Inner circle middle earth 1117 Posts |
Crazy Cube anyone?
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Josh Burch Regular user 163 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, Jared wrote: The peek Daryl uses doesn't have too much shade. He asks them to do something and then he peeks the info. It's not super clever but it works, and flies by in performance. |
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Josh Burch Regular user 163 Posts |
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On Oct 23, 2019, IAIN wrote: You only can peek a quarter of the card that's true. You may be able to see as much as a full half of the card. This is the case of cours with other methods such as the center tear, and Acidus Novus. The thing that sets this apart is that the participant writes the information down, they place it in the envelope, they seal it, and they place it in their pocket (or I'd prefer to have them burn it). They give the envelopes and the pen back to you and you have access to their information. I think if you need to turn your back as they burn their thought, or as you go to put the pen and envelopes in your case it's covered well. |
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