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On Oct 23, 2019, Gaz Lawrence wrote: I’m going to give it a second look thx. Underlooked has a nice and justified flow to it, it’s fun to do. I’m liking it more all the time.
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Christian de Punto.jpg "View Profile") Regular user Germany 174 Posts
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: so many unlogic things in taken.... first: why I give a bunch of envelopes to a spectator to put a note in one and give me back the rest? I could just give him one. and I have the risk, that he might want to use another one (if he has all in his hand). second: writing down what I want to read mind later makes just sense, if I have a proof for the other spectators later... but seems the envelope cannot be opened later... so????? to unlogic... sorry, I m out ;-) |
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Michael.Kegel Regular user Germany 142 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, Christian de Punto wrote: It's even worse: what if the spectator puts down the stack of envelopes since he or she only needs one? I mean, if somebody handed me a stack of envelopes and asked me to write something on a piece of paper resting on top of the stack, I might put the envelopes I don't need on a table or perhaps return it to the person who gave it to me. What then? If the magician insisted on keeping the stack or even fishier under all circumstances keeping the stack under the piece of paper they're writing on, everything's clear in my opinion and the effect is gone for good. I also don't get it how this is not an impression device though the complete handling cries impression device. If this isn't an impression device, why would we need the stack of envelopes beneath the one the spectator actually uses and why would the magician obtain the information the spectator had written down from the stack beneath the piece of paper the spectator used? Any chance that the creators of magic items, effects and devices spare the magic community unspeakable and misleading promo clips like this one in the very near future? I just don't get it why we can't be open with each other instead of disgruntling fellow magicians with delusive advertising. No offence to The Other Brothers as I really like their creative minds; I just don't get it. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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I don't get the logic either...especially if you already use Jermay's version of a shaxon... in fact, this sounds a step back because it takes ten minutes to make this? and you get a full p**k with the Jermay set up....( I realise this won't be the first time that the Jermay one has been "re-invented" though)...
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Stunninger Inner circle 2827 Posts
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There are now multiple, very clean, quick and easy ways to get a full card p**k. From what's been written so far in this thread, Taken sounds like it does not really provide a better, cleaner or more useful way to get a p**k. Different, perhaps, but not does sound like an improvement over existing methods, to me anyway.
I continue to get more minimalist as I age. With just a stack of business cards, or double blank cards, there are many excellent ways to get a p**k. If you play around with existing methods long enough, you will figure out ways to have the spectator put their card in an ungimmicked envelope and keep it. End clean, nothing to find. The Covert Peek uses a single, ungimmicked envelope. Either the mind reader or the spectator can put the folded card in the envelope, and the spectator can put the envelope in their pocket and keep it. I don't see how Taken is an improvement over that. |
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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And if we are talking about clarity and a straight line for a presentation, then a single envelope and an imp pad will always win for me. Everything has a logic and simplicity. And everyone does what regular people do with those items.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts
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Totally agree with both Iain and Stunninger’s posts on this thread . Best wishes Gaz 🙂
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 2706 Posts
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Although I would love to see a mentalist let a spectator walk a mile and back to write a name, I also have to agree.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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Lonnie_Lyerla Special user 508 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, IAIN wrote: It’s thinking like this that makes me feel good about doing mentalism for as long as I have. A single envelope is exactly what I would use if I were using envelopes. I understand that having more envelopes will hide the thought of only needing one. However.....Simplicity is a magicians best friend. And carrying around something that is a little bulky imo to get the results I’m looking for just isn’t for me. I’m aware of how “ taken “ is done, and I can’t for the life of me think of anything I currently use to gain information, being replaced by “ taken “. But.... if you like to just enjoy collecting magic, then this may be for those that do. |
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ArtIn Inner circle 1702 Posts
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On Oct 23, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote: The Mati Envelope can do that ! |
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, Christian de Punto wrote: I agree, not being able to open the envelope as proof and revelation is quite a let down. And why give them a whole stack of envelopes in hand? A stack that is awkwardly held together by a tight rubber band? It's really a pity but I have to confess that I was pretty disappointed by the brothers' new realease this time (loved most of their other stuff, though).
The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist! Chance's Token Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery..... |
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MDantes Inner circle New Orleans 1435 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, IAIN wrote: Don’t tell e’rbody IAIN! 🤫
S.A.N.C.T.U.M Chapter 18
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Nicolino Inner circle 2893 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, ArtIn wrote: Thanks for the plug! Yes, you're right about the properties of the "Mati Envelope" in which the spectator opens the envelope herself at the end, taking out her card. Also, performer never touches the paper and the spectator himself seals the envelope shut. But let's keep this thread about Taken please.
The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist! Chance's Token Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery..... |
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ArtIn Inner circle 1702 Posts
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Taken wants to mime mentalism and offer a way to mindreading but honestly lags credibility.
It’s not just about a stack of tied up envelopes and illogical handlings but also about some strange hints that are given: Leaving the dirty envelope with your spectator should be no option. Its also not recommended to follow a (strong) mindreading sequence with a card reveal. Why would you do that? |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3253 Posts
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They should have named it You Got Taken
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Tom Cutts Staff Northern CA 5930 Posts
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On Oct 27, 2019, 252life wrote: Anyone who is still buying their products, well, it’s their own fault. |
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3253 Posts
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[quote]On Oct 27, 2019, Tom Cutts wrote:
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On Oct 27, 2019, 252life wrote: Anyone who is still buying their products, well, it’s their own fault. Guilty as charged. Hopefully this time I learned my lesson.
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Steven Conner Inner circle 2720 Posts
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On Oct 24, 2019, IAIN wrote: What is the name of Jermay's.
"The New York Papers," Mark Twain once said,"have long known that no large question is ever really settled until I have been consulted; it is the way they feel about it, and they show it by always sending to me when they get uneasy. "
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts
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Can't remember, it's been a while...
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10618 Posts
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When this can be done without the card, envelope, having to write anything down, or having to hand something back to the performer, let me know.
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