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When that day comes people will just think you are using a stooge anyway , you can’t win Gaz 😂😂
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On Oct 28, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
When this can be done without the card, envelope, having to write anything down, or having to hand something back to the performer, let me know.


You mean getting info by waterboarding?
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Set fire to about $35, when they go to put it out, you get the p**k
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LOL
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On Oct 28, 2019, Mindpro wrote:
When this can be done without the card, envelope, having to write anything down, or having to hand something back to the performer, let me know.


You mean getting info by waterboarding?



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“... ah, thank you for joining me on stage, Sir. I believe you are known at the Magic Café as “Mind Pro”? Well, after you’ve written down the names of the famous artists nobody believes you helped, I would like you to lie down under that tap and answer some questions from Robb...”
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Ugh! I knew I forgot something at the supermarket today!

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I got some! We can share! Or wait... am I expected to enter the Octagon with Robb and Mindpro now? Smile
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Hmm,

I don't know if a lot of this criticism is just jumping on the bandwagon (something unheard of in the Café). The Shaxton envelope (and luke Jermay's version) also use a stack of envelopes. They also leave the participant with a dirty envelope that the spectator cannot open and retrieve the info. In both those versions the magician has to hold the stack himself.
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Mr dural, that was kinda my point. What does this release do differently and better than the jermay shaxonless set up?

So it's not that it's rubbish, I'm concerned about originality, differences and improvements etc
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I think the idea of them doing the work for you is interesting. However, having a stack with a card sticking out ever so slightly for them to write something down, is a bit weird.

Also in Luke's routine they are not left with that envelope, his routine is brilliantly structured.


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That’s why underlooked is so great imo Gaz 🙂
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I agree. Underlooked is a gem.
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Hmm,

I don't know if a lot of this criticism is just jumping on the bandwagon (something unheard of in the Café). The Shaxton envelope (and luke Jermay's version) also use a stack of envelopes. They also leave the participant with a dirty envelope that the spectator cannot open and retrieve the info. In both those versions the magician has to hold the stack himself.


Earlier in this thread I mentioned the Couvert Peek, which uses a single ungimmicked envelope and card, and either the mind reader or spectator can put the card in the envelope, which the spectator can hold and keep, ending completely clean. I don't see how Taken offers any benefit over that. Rather, it seems like a step back in several ways.

Also mentioned there are several business card peeks that are excellent and do not require an envelope at all, but did not name them. They are: Underhanded, Underlooked, Godspeed and the peek taught in Humint.

I'm always interested in hearing about new approaches. You never know when something new will come along that offers a better way than existing methods. From what I've read about Taken, it does not offer a better way, in my opinion anyway.
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On Oct 30, 2019, Mr. Dural wrote:
Hmm,

I don't know if a lot of this criticism is just jumping on the bandwagon (something unheard of in the Café). The Shaxton envelope (and luke Jermay's version) also use a stack of envelopes. They also leave the participant with a dirty envelope that the spectator cannot open and retrieve the info. In both those versions the magician has to hold the stack himself.


Earlier in this thread I mentioned the Couvert Peek, which uses a single ungimmicked envelope and card, and either the mind reader or spectator can put the card in the envelope, which the spectator can hold and keep, ending completely clean. I don't see how Taken offers any benefit over that. Rather, it seems like a step back in several ways.

Also mentioned there are several business card peeks that are excellent and do not require an envelope at all, but did not name them. They are: Underhanded, Underlooked, Godspeed and the peek taught in Humint.

I'm always interested in hearing about new approaches. You never know when something new will come along that offers a better way than existing methods. From what I've read about Taken, it does not offer a better way, in my opinion anyway.


Check Banache's Picture Duplication and Number Duplication peeks.
Full peek with plain business cards, one step, not folding and not envelops.
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I'm waiting for someone to review it on Penguin. Till the reviews come in I'll set out.
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Wow, that was a tangent guys. Honestly Taken isn't my thing but after discussing it in depth with a bunch of great magicians I believe that much of this discussion is confusing.

What is the logic?

Well, in a 4DT presentation the logic is that you need a bunch of people to fill things out and place them in envelopes.

In a roulette routine, you could place a bill in the top envelope and have a bunch of dummy envelopes (from the stack) mixed in with it.

Which is more natural? Walking up to someone with a single envelope or a stack of envelopes? If you want to do it casually for friends (which is how most of us will do this anyway) it looks MUCH more casual to walk into your office and pull out a stack of envelopes than it does to pull one out. That could easily be how you keep your envelopes!

This might not be for you but it's not trash guys.
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Pulling out one envelope is 100 times more natural than pulling out a bunch of envelopes imo in any situation for a one spectator routine Gaz 🙂
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Pulling out one envelope is 100 times more natural than pulling out a bunch of envelopes imo in any situation for a one spectator routine Gaz 🙂


I don't think a stack of envelopes are at all out of place in almost any situation you would use an envelope in. In a casual environment like at home, it doesn't seem out of place at all to reach into a junk drawer and pull out a stack of envelopes. Lots of people keep envelopes stowed away in a drawer, and to have a stack wrapped in a rubber band seems completely natural.

In my eyes, pulling out a single envelope is like pulling out a single crayon from the junk drawer. You could have just grabbed the whole box right? Who keeps just one envelope in their drawer? Most people have a few envelopes at home and they keep them with the other envelopes.

One envelope seems more suspect to me as well. Let's imagine you have a gaffed quarter. Is it more suspect to pull out the quarter and perform magic with it by itself? Or is it more suspect to pull out the gimmicked coin among a handful of normal coins? I think most would agree that the second scenario seems more fair. I think the same logic could be applied to envelopes, cards or other objects.

I'm suprised that there is an issue at all with a stack of envelopes. This is a common tool in mentalism. There is a lot in the literature that covers stacks of envelopes. Marc Paul, Bob Cassidy, Luke Jermay and many many others have lots of work with stacks of envelopes. It seems like a wierd thing to be hung up on in my eyes.
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Ok so I have a prediction in my top breast pocket of a thought of card . Bringing out a full deck and saying it’s in here is better than producing the one single matched card ? I think not .You maybe correct if you are performing in your office in your day to day job and pulling envelopes from a drawer but at a magic gig it’s far stronger to have one envelope laid on the line with one prediction in it as it because impossible to a layman imho Gaz 🙂
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