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On Oct 31, 2019, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
Andy the Jerx has some really interesting comments about this. He actually hired five lay people to write down their reactions. They coincide with what both Martin and I were alluding to: the plot does not seem clear. None of them could describe it afterwards. Check it out, very insightful stuff.


I'm glad to see I'm not alone. I still don't understand what is supposed to be happening in this presentation.

To take Michael's synopsis:

"After remembering a single card from a five card poker hand the mentalist removes one card from the group, displaying the other four to the participant showing it becomes apparent that thought of card is no longer in the group."

So far, so conventional.

"Just when the participant begins to suspect that the card removed must be their thought of card the fifth card is returned back to the group and they are STILL unable to see their card."

What do they see? A different card? A blank card?

"The mentalist claims that this is because the card was never removed from the group, but instead was removed from their mind."
When was it removed from their mind? They haven't forgotten it at any point?

"To prove this the mentalist then taps the participants forehead which instantly returns the thought"
The thought never went anywhere? How is it being returned?

"allowing the participant to see/identify their card within the group."
What is the participant supposed to think has happened in this moment? The card has magically changed? They were momentarily hypnotized to see a different card?

What has any of this got to do with a thought being plucked from someone's mind? They think of one of five cards; they never stop thinking of that card; and they are still thinking of it at the end. Where does the 'forgotten' bit in the title come in?

I'm confused!
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I think the easiest way to look at the effect is actually with a bit of duel reality. What the spectator is seeing is different to what the audience at large THINK the spectator is seeing. So the spectator thinks you have taken their card out somehow, then out it back in but it has changed. Then it reappears. However, the audience watching think, because of Alex's scripting, the spectator has someone forgotten their card and when he taps her forehead, he puts the thought back into her head. The realities of what is happening are different I think! This is how I view the effect anyway!

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Think of one of these five cards but only think of it mentally and don't say it outlaid
I'm going to read your mind and take that card out and put it to one side
is your card in the remaining four
no
of course it isn't, because what really happened was the card you thought you saw was implanted in your mind by me
see? look at the five cards again
the card you thought was never really there in the first place

that's how I interpreted it...
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On Oct 31, 2019, IAIN wrote:
Think of one of these five cards but only think of it mentally and don't say it outlaid
I'm going to read your mind and take that card out and put it to one side
is your card in the remaining four
no
of course it isn't, because what really happened was the card you thought you saw was implanted in your mind by me
see? look at the five cards again
the card you thought was never really there in the first place

that's how I interpreted it...


Wouldn't that be called 'Implanted Princess'?
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Its like the old esp thing with OTL, call it what you want...though implanted princess suggests something else to me...
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Hello there.

Alexander Marsh here.

Maybe this video filmed a couple of years ago may shed some light on what this effect is and isn’t.

https://youtu.be/piUOLoCUbBw

This clip is taken from a larger routine using cards, in fact the full routine will be in my Penguin Live Act coming out next month (**CLANG**)

This does indeed use the same principle as the gimmicked version of the classic Princess Card Trick (the original and many other variations did not use gimmicked cards), but with a small change to the original set up and a completely different presentation. The cards Penguin produce for my effect are bicycle stock too, which is something of a rarity for this gimmick.

This is a different effect to the Princess Card trick but using the same principles - in the same way you can use a Swami to predict a number or read someone’s mind of a thought of number.

The Princess Card Trick (using gimmicked cards) although a classic is a flawed effect (hence why it’s often relegated to just being a quick YouTube or website trick). You ask someone to think of one of 5 cards and prove you read their mind not by telling them the card but by showing the absence of it in the fan.

Forgotten Princess is an amnesia effect in vein of Jermay’s RGM or the one using OTL as Iain mentioned. A spectator is asked to think of one card in a poker hand. You then use your hypnotic influence to seemingly remove or interrupt the memory of that card. The real convincer comes when you seem to put that memory back in their head, something not possible with the aforementioned methods. To me this is what makes the effect more convincing.
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As much as I understand each and everyone trying to explain the plot, the simple fact remains these lay people Andy hired didn’t get it. And I think the fact that they couldn’t explain it Is more interesting than the fact you guys can. (And before you start about how that depends on your presentation, read the article first!)
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... the simple fact remains these lay people Andy hired didn't get it. And I think the fact that they couldn't explain it Is more interesting than the fact you guys can. (And before you start about how that depends on your presentation, read the article first!)


What article is that; can you post a reference?
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Halestorm, as mentioned above that’s not an option.
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I think people looking at this should also remember the New Limited Edition which is also an improvement with a New edition. The video doesn’t show the torn card. Read the effect below in the link for details.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/389
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Definitely forgotten. Not available anywhere apart from Penguin it seems.
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Definitely forgotten. Not available anywhere apart from Penguin it seems.

Yeah I picked it up from Penguin some time ago.

For people who like old methods with a new presentation should also check out Connected by Vinny Sagoo.
Very cool idea with an old method.
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The plot can be clarified by a simple presentational tweak:

Show 5 cards, have them remember one.

Tell them you will remove their thought of card from the packet. You set one card aside and show them the remaining 4, they confirm that you removed the card they were merely thinking of!

Then you tell them you'll take it a step further; you'll remove their thought of card from their memory. You tell them that if you put their card back in with the other cards, they should be able to spot their card, but that they won't be able to. You put the card back in with the others, you ask them not to say the name of their card, but just to point to it. You show them the cards and they're confused because they don't recognize any of the cards as theirs.

You then snap them out of it, ask them to name their card and point to it, getting them to confirm that their card has been there all along.

So the effect is that you remove a thought of card from a packet of cards. Then, you remove the thought of card from their memory.
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I think it's sorta clever, to take an old idea and think of it another way in presenting it...It sorta makes it kinda new again. Smile
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I’m curious as to how the cards are different than the ones from the traditional princess card trick???
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I’m curious as to how the cards are different than the ones from the traditional princess card trick???


I am wondering the same thing. Can someone on me?
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I had an idea and sent it to Alexander. He said it was okay to put it here:

I just got it. I like the presentation and the added idea of making them forget then bringing back the memory. I would not do this as a stand alone packet effect. I would have the gimmicked cards in the deck itself... plus at the bottom of the pack and reversed would be the five normal cards they think they are seeing at the end plus maybe two more regular cards... all of those are face up on the bottom.

Spread through the cards towards yourself. Talk about hypnosis and even say that sometimes confusing patterns are used to bring people into trances like the hypno wheel. You pull out five cards and say you will take out 5 court cards because they all have a busy pattern on them.

Do the routine here where you pluck their memory out then show them they still can't remember then finally bring their memory back. Drop those five cards on the deck. Talk about hypnosis a bit as you casually pick up the deck, and reverse it. Deal the next five cards out... which will be the real court cards they thought they looked at a second ago. Turn them around and now you can do some psycho-babble as to why the patterns put them into a trance. And now they can see all the cards as regular.
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Very nice Greg! Thanks for sharing!!
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