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Life is a simulation, plain and simple.
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Oh.
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Whatever. I still know kung fu.
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Have you been taking them red pills again?
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On Oct 24, 2019, JoshDude849 wrote:
Life is a simulation, plain and simple.



Our overlords are now scrambling to conceal themselves because JoshDude849 spilled the beans on a relatively obscure magic forum.

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Can you tell when the operating system updates? Maybe Pi is a version number? Smile
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I believe it updates in 5 years. At least that's what I've heard.

Pi could definitely be a version number.

Not sure yet. I'd have to get back to you on that.
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Didn't Frank Zappa once say: Life is nothing but a stale tuna sandwich?
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There is a file on everybody. It starts when one reaches the age of five. Every five years the file is updated. A shrink predicts one's future for the next five years and so on. It has been going on since World War II. Today they might call it the virtual simulation of you.
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That's very compelling tommy.
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On Oct 24, 2019, JoshDude849 wrote:
Life is a simulation, plain and simple.

No it isn't.
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How would one know either way? What kind of Turing-like test would you apply?
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As strange as it may be - it is what it is. Till there's evidence to the contrary, it's exactly as described and seen. So far there is not much, if any, evidence for a dynamic or computed space-time environment - e.g. the Holodeck on Star Trek. Einstein objected to introducing non-physical entities/notions into physics. Some modern mathematical models with more than three space and one time dimension may include structures which look like our other equations in physics but so far that's not existence, uniqueness, or computational utility when prediction values of real things.

Take a few cues from Newton:
I. Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature flows equably without regard to anything external, and by another name is called duration: relative, apparent, and common time, is some sensible and external (whether accurate or unequable) measure of duration by the means of motion, which is commonly used instead of true time; such as an hour, a day, a month, a year.

II. Absolute space, in its own nature, without regard to anything external, remains always similar and immovable. Relative space is some movable dimension or measure of the absolute spaces; which our senses determine by its position to bodies; and which is vulgarly taken for immovable space; such is the dimension of a subterraneous, an ćreal, or celestial space, determined by its position in respect of the earth. Absolute and relative space, are the same in figure and magnitude; but they do not remain always numerically the same. For if the earth, for instance, moves, a space of our air, which relatively and in respect of the earth remains always the same, will at one time be one part of the absolute space into which ​the air passes; at another time it will be another part of the same, and so, absolutely understood, it will be perpetually mutable.

A Turing test? hahaha what would a computational modeled space need to do in order to appear empty to our telescopes? Funny idea.
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Life is a simulation, plain and simple.



Immaterial; as we are IN the simulation, have no evidence or experience of anything OUTSIDE of the simulation, the simulation is simply the world for us.

It's sort of like the "Star Trek - The Next Generation" episode where Geordi accidently created Professor Moriarty in the holodeck as a character to actually challenge Data's abilities as Sherlock Holmes. It ends with Moriarty escaping from the holodeck, and, along with his girlfriend, stealing a deep space shuttle to see the universe! Then the camera pans back and we find out the Enterprise crew tricked Moriarty and the girl into leaving the holodeck and loading themselves into a multi-tetrabyte hard drive, where they will travel for the rest of their lives, THINKING they are in the real world. The fact that they are still in a simulation is immaterial to them, as they are unaware of it.
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"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
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..."Star Trek - The Next Generation" episode where Geordi accidently created Professor Moriarty in the holodeck ...

Aside from the obvious moral problem it's odd that nobody else thought to ask the magic holodeck to provide 'entertainment'... cough cough... hahaha Oh My! Smile
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On Oct 29, 2019, ed rhodes wrote:
..."Star Trek - The Next Generation" episode where Geordi accidently created Professor Moriarty in the holodeck ...

Aside from the obvious moral problem it's odd that nobody else thought to ask the magic holodeck to provide 'entertainment'... cough cough... hahaha Oh My! Smile


Actually, it's implied that's what was going on in Quark's place on Deep Space Nine!
"There's no time to lose," I heard her say.
"Catch your dreams before they slip away."
"Dying all the time, lose your dreams and you could lose your mind.
Ain't life unkind?"
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His Holodeck suites offered sapient entities to abuse... I sure hope not. That would put us back several hundred years of moral history.

We're still missing the discussion of computed space having a physics. Hello determinism? And under that shadow are the twins of operating system and base processor faults due to its native physics. You exist. Language exists. And your text conveys meaning. Perhaps not as perfectly as we might desire but nevertheless here we are. Smile Gorgias?

Moving forward to more social concerns - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glasshouse_(novel) - how many are you? Are you all as you were or have your been altered? Do any of you have other plans? Smile A fun read from Charles Stross. He's taking a year off between novels involving Laundry mathematics and Merchant Prince geography. Smile
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On Oct 27, 2019, landmark wrote:
How would one know either way? What kind of Turing-like test would you apply?


At this point, it can't be proven conclusively, but there is certainly some compelling evidence in favor of the hypothesis:

  • Nick Bostrum's original logical hypothesis, which jump-started the entire discussion
  • Quantum Entanglement - which shows that information may not be bounded by space/time
  • Double-slit experiment, particularly the delayed quantum eraser variant - which shows that the "resolution" of the simulation enhances itself the closer we look at the "pixels"
  • Quantized nature of space/time - shows that it is, in principle, possible to simulate the state of every particle in the universe, which would not be possible if the space/time were "smooth"


A handful of physicists have proposed specific experiments to more conclusively answer this question.

Another philosophical idea came out earlier this year stating we should NOT try to find out if we are in a simulation or not, because if we KNEW that we are in a simulation, the simulation is likely to terminate on the basis of our new found knowledge--effectively killing us.
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At this point, it can't be proven conclusively, but there is certainly some compelling evidence in favor of the hypothesis:

  • Nick Bostrum's original logical hypothesis, which jump-started the entire discussion
  • Quantum Entanglement - which shows that information may not be bounded by space/time
  • Double-slit experiment, particularly the delayed quantum eraser variant - which shows that the "resolution" of the simulation enhances itself the closer we look at the "pixels"
  • Quantized nature of space/time - shows that it is, in principle, possible to simulate the state of every particle in the universe, which would not be possible if the space/time were "smooth"



Is it possible to live in a quantum universe that is NOT a simulation? If so, then to me these arguments aren't too persuasive (yet), because then the simulation theory is an unnecessary leap. Also, what kind of "universe" would the simulators live in? Would that be a quantum universe? Are they simulated at yet a higher level?

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Another philosophical idea came out earlier this year stating we should NOT try to find out if we are in a simulation or not, because if we KNEW that we are in a simulation, the simulation is likely to terminate on the basis of our new found knowledge--effectively killing us.


Why? Perhaps that would just be another opportunity for our simulators to observe our behavior under those conditions.

Interesting discussion for sure, but to me the whole simulation thing is a bit too far-fetched. But by all means, let's keep investigating the universe.

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