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Gennovense New user 84 Posts 
Hello
I few days ago I bought ACAAn by Asi Wind, everything was fine until I realized that the part where you have to use the thumb to riffle is way more difficult than I expected. I was wondering if someone has an advice on this because I love this effect. Getting to an specific card sometimes can be challenging. I 

Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1276 Posts 
You have chosen one of the best acaans, but at the same time one of the most difficult to perform smoothly.
Talking, calculating and doing the "move" at the same time is not given to everyone. Unfortunately, not everyone likes to admit that. You do that and that means that you are sensible and selfcritical. Stay selfcritical and get to know your limitations. In the country where I live there is a saying that says: "Selfknowledge is the beginning of all wisdom". It is better to do a slightly simpler alternative that is properly performed (there are many acaans) than to grab too high and mess up. Nothing prevents you from continuing to practice on the acaan from Asi in the meantime. 

JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 347 Posts 
It’s a combo of accuracy, hand strength and card pliability.
Perhaps try softer cards or putting more work into the pack before performing. Additionally try cutting the box slightly more. 

Pasteboard Alchemist Elite user 487 Posts 
The main concept of Asi's ACAAN was a fairly welltrodden path before Asi's release. One of the most comprehensive resources I've found on it is the book "Meant to Be" by John Born, and his subsequent booklet "Flip Shift". In "Meant to Be", he details a number of ways to help facilitate get to exactly where you need to be with the cards still in the box. In "Flip Shift", he offers a further modification to the system (that I still use) that makes it considerably easier.


Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1541 Posts 
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On Nov 1, 2019, Pasteboard Alchemist wrote: Excellent advice. I'd say the number one thing that helped me when doing this was using softer cards. Thin card stock combined with being well broken in makes a world of difference when doing the riffling. 

Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2577 Posts 
Don't overlook JBSmith1978's advice about the box. Cutting it a little more than you think you need to allows a lot more play in the riffling. In my experience, most people that have trouble with this put too little work in the card case.
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Gennovense New user 84 Posts 
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On Nov 1, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote: Thanks for the advice! however what do you men with putting more into the pack? Practice? 

Gennovense New user 84 Posts 
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On Nov 1, 2019, Bobby Forbes wrote: Thanks for the answer! However what do you mean specifically with softer cards? english is not my native language so I want to make sure I get all the advice properly. I'm using Richard Turner bicycle decks and standard bikes. 

JBSmith1978 Veteran user NY 347 Posts 
By softening the cards I mean breaking them in. I usually break in my packs by flexing them in four ways per each step en route to Mnemonica.


Chris K Inner circle 2497 Posts 
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On Nov 1, 2019, JBSmith1978 wrote: I've just recently bought Repertoire and started work on this ACAAN. My own challenges have led me to cutting the box more, realizing my thumb needs a workout, and not using a brand new deck (that is, using a broken in deck). And a good random card and number generator is key. I use the one from Dave Campbell. 

Magic1 Veteran user Los Angeles 392 Posts 
How do you guys get the math down and fast?


sgtgrey Special user Austin, TX 839 Posts 
Practice  a lot! (Of course, you already knew that!) One way to help with practice is to get a random number generator. I have one that generates two random numbers on my phone between 1 and 52 and used that a lot to help practice (it also helps because there are slightly different handlings depending on the result of the math and it's good to get used to switching between them without much thought).
Also, It's much easier to do the math when you aren't trying to talk simultaneously, so I don't recall if Asi talks about this, but I like to give them a question and a moment to change their mind. They won't, because if I seem eager to let them change, they will usually dig in their heels. However, the moment of silence where you let them contemplate their choice also gives you a moment to do the math in your head without looking suspicious. Also, you may want to review Asi's tips on the math if you have his ACAAN DVD and see if those help you as well. 

Chris K Inner circle 2497 Posts 
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On Dec 9, 2019, Magic1 wrote: I break it down into: I need to add cards to top or I need to remove cards from top Because I think of it this way, it just sort of makes sense what I have to do. In a normal stack, adding cards to top is slightly trickier. You can alleviate that by having the cards in a reverse stack of course, but then you need to adjust how you think of removing cards. I just kept doing it until it made sense to my brain and the math is often automatic. Lots of practice and running through with a random card/number generator. Chris 

rmorrell Loyal user 227 Posts 
As Chris K eluded to if you want to make the maths easier you might want to look at Allan Ackerman's version that can be found in John Born's Meant to Be book, called AnyoneAnywhere: Two Shakes, it has some sacrifices, but you can get into and out of it, or if this is the only card routine you might be doing and just want to give yourself a break on the calculations then this is worth a look.


Chris K Inner circle 2497 Posts 
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On Nov 2, 2019, Gennovense wrote: Hold the facedown deck in dealer's or mechanics grip (pinky placement is not super critical). Hold the deck tight. Riffle the inner left corner of the cards several times (I'd recommend starting softly then riffling harder each time). Rotate the deck around 180° (still face down, so outer right corner is now inner left corner) and repeat. Do this a few times then try the effect, the cards should be much easier to deal with. I think I was able to keep this relatively "exposure" free as it is just getting the cards pliable, but please report for exposure if you disagree. I'm trying to help but not at the expense of exposure. Happy holidays! Chris 

Mr. Mindbender Inner circle 1432 Posts 
Bringing up a slightly older thread, but I've been working on the Asi Wind version and also looking at a few of the Meant to Be...versions from that book, when I thought of something that makes the calculation aspect of these effects easier for me. I'm guessing this isn't new, so I apologize if I'm stating something obvious, but...
Any calculation where I have to involve the number 52 is much easier to do if I change that number to 50. Being slightly "math at the moment" challenged, dealing with round numbers is much more of a no brainer for me. So, the simple way to do that is to eliminate two cards, both from the deck and from the selection process. I use Mnemonica, so the way I do that is that I remove the AH and the 9D from the deck, and when it comes time to ask the spectator to think of any card, I explain "the fact" (that I've made up!) that the two most common cards named are the Ace of Hearts and the 9 of Diamonds, so think of something more unusual. Also, so they don't name the numbers 51 or 52, when I have them think of a number, I simply say to stay away from the very top or bottom of the deck because that's too easy. This way, I'm dealing with the nice round number of 50 in my calculations versus 52. 

Nikodemus Veteran user 309 Posts 
Mr Mindbender 
You don't need to remove those two cards. There are lots of simple tricks to make mental arithmetic easier. One of them is to add/subtract the same number to both sides of the equation. For example  What is 52  34? It is the same as 50  32. (Subtract 2 from both 52 & 34) Answer = 18. But is is even easier to do it this way  What is 52  34? It is 2 less than 54  34 (add 2 to ONE side) So it is 2 less than 20 Which is 18. Or count upwards  34 + 8 = 42 42 + 10 = 52 So total added = 8 + 10 (18) 

Northern Andy New user 10 Posts 
This can prove a little tricky at first as I am finding out. The cards I am struggling most with accuracy on are the first 5 or 6 after the 9D. My thumb just does not want to riffle these without sending a small group of cards instead of individual ones. Anyone got tips on this at all?


Magic1 Veteran user Los Angeles 392 Posts 
Really appreciated these tips. Thanks!


Tortuga Special user Ballwin, MO 787 Posts 
One thing that helps some people is to glue an extra piece of card stock into the bottom of the box to both flatten and stiffen it.


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