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Dan LeFay
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I've been experimenting with some 1" ballbearings on a soft surface. Because of their height it automaticly lifts your hands from the surface. Looks very clean...It allows the fingers to stay in motion (like pianoplaying) which adds to the effect.
Cleaning up the final ball needs some thinking;-)
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Shadow coins, while an excellent trick, can of course only be peformed on the floor with the spectators looking down whereas Roth's Chink-A Chink coin routine as peformed on his Expert Coin Magic DVD is more verstile in that it can be done on a table top and does not need any "gimmicks."

Mr. Dean Dill's "Call Shot" as well as his "Call Shot Instant," "Isolation," "The Dinner Napkin part 1 and 2," and his other matrix effects as performed on Mr. Dean's DVDs set are all excellent and should be viewed and performed by anyone seriously interested in doing simple and direct and amazing coin magic.
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Hey guys. I take lessons from Dean Dill. He is great. Before meeting Dean, I always performed Ammar's Shadow Coins, which, by the way, is great. The only problem with Ammar's Shadow Coins is the ending; I think it's not very clean, and kinda sloppy. Dean has a very clean ending and looks amazing. If you live in LA, and want to meet Dean, and see some of his stuff, go to his shop. All his location info is on his web site, http://www.deandill.com. Ok then. I hope I helped you guys, bye.
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Magicmaven,

How are Dean's haircuts?
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Magicmaven
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They're okay, my dad got one, but I just go to his shop for the magic...
wsduncan
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On 2004-07-13 10:45, magicinsight wrote:
Shadow coins, while an excellent trick, can of course only be peformed on the floor

What makes you think that?

Ammar moved the effect down to the floor so he could create the illusion that the hands were inches above the coins (which is difficult when working on a table top).

Ammar's routine works just fine on a table but doesn't benefit from the height illusion.
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Ammar’s Shadow Coins could easily be done on a table and get the benefit of the illusion of height.
I perform it regulaly and as I deposit the coin I lift my hand which creates the illusion. I use dollar coin and the reaction I get is “your hands never touched the table.”
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Other than the ] how is doing 'Shadow Coins" on the table different than Roth's "Original Chinese Assembly"?
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Was nice of Mike Ammar to tour with the Roth coin trick. If you look in the notes/book, Ammar cites Roth.

A guy named Joe has a version of the barehanded coin assembly that you can do and keep your hands off the coins and carpet... it's spooky.
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bdekolta
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Roth's effect was already published long before Ammar was performing it as part of his lecture. I first saw Ammar perform the effect in the early 80's (82 or 83?). My first thought was I didn't know Roth's routine looked *that* good! I had not seen Roth perform his routine.

When I tried what I saw I realized you couldn't do what Ammar had done on the table without exposing the effect.

I'd like to see the guy Joe's routine. Sounds really magical.
Jonathan Townsend
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Joe has not published his routine yet. It was something that he showed in NYC one afternoon.

It's a trick where the method will get you thinking. Smile

PS, Joe is on the Café. I'm probably gonna mess this up but here goes: Joe Rindfleisch ( sp? nobody likes to see their name mis-spelled sorry )
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Jim Wilder
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On 2004-07-15 18:24, bdekolta wrote:
When I tried what I saw I realized you couldn't do what Ammar had done on the table without exposing the effect.


I now regularly perform the trick on a table top without any exposure problems. Of course, the hands do not seem to be inches off the deck, but above the coins nonetheless.
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I now regularly perform the trick on a table top without any exposure problems. Of course, the hands do not seem to be inches off the deck, but above the coins nonetheless.


Sounds like you reinvented Roth's trick only using the ].
Jim Wilder
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On 2004-07-16 19:57, bdekolta wrote:
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I now regularly perform the trick on a table top without any exposure problems. Of course, the hands do not seem to be inches off the deck, but above the coins nonetheless.


Sounds like you reinvented Roth's trick only using the ].


Well... yeah. I sort of did I guess. But I still do the mysterious waves over the coins.
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