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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Hi friends,
I've been working up this effect (from his book, "Try the Impossible") for the last few weeks, and have some questions and personal adaptations that I'd like to run by anyone else who performs it. I'll wait to hear from others out there before writing up specifics. It seems to have tremendous potential. Posted: May 31, 2004 10:02pm -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anyone? |
Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
I currently perform this routine, what are your concerns?
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Well, first of all, do you have the deck cut and cards selected & pocketed from behind the spec's back, as described in the original text? I have found it much more powerful to have that all happen on the table in everyone's view. Not to mention how few people are comfortable cutting and handling cards behind their backs.
It seems to me that the only reason to remove that important and dramatic part of the effect from view is to somehow eliminate the possibility of marked cards. But since part two with the second participant doesn't seem to have anything to do with the magician knowing the identity of the selected cards in the first place, it seems unecessary. So I have the cutting and selecting done on the table by participant #1, and then have them keep the cards on the table covered by each hand. Keeps the action in everyone's view. What do you think? Also, I'm not too smooth fanning through the cards face up and injogging the correct card undetectably, so any help on that would be appreciated. Great effect, isn't it? I brought tears to the eyes of a few college girls at a recent private gig. |
Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
I also perform the cutting sequence in front of specs., I think it gets a much better reaction.
Why not have both decks in aronson deck order, but in reverse order, so have the jack of spades as the bottom card, that way when you glimpse the other card you can more or less spread to the right location within an instance. I performed this rotuine the other night and it brought the house down, it got a standing ovation. Aronson is the man, some of his material is top notch! |
Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Daren,
Good to hear I'm not the only one who brought part 1 out from behind the back. I don't quite follow your reverse order suggestion, but then again, I don't use the Aronson stack, I use Osterlind's system. I plan on Aronson's someday. But with Osterlind's, I can spread right to the correct card to injog as well. Now about the injogging, it's still hard for me to make that undetectable. It just looks different as I pass that card than as I pass the others. Any advice? Great to hear the reaction you got. I can understand why. There's just "no way" the magician could have done anything tricky. You watch people's minds go back and forth 'till they just burst. It's totally impossible. Every trick should look like this. |
Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
You could always cull the two necessary cards underneath so they end up on top of the deck, then you just double undercut the top card to the bottom and you are all set, then do the riffle shuffles keeping the two cards in position.
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cgscpa Elite user Ashton, MD 447 Posts |
Joshua and Daren -
A quick question: When you have the first spectator cut the cards and put it in their pockets, do you stand back or look away? I have used this effect only once (with the cards cut behind the back), and for some reason have not done it again despite the great reactions it received. I think I just forgot how good of an effect it was. Thanks Courtney |
Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Courtney,
Put this effect back in your routine! It's so good. I neither deliberately look away, nor look at him cutting and selecting. I have a little patter while he's doing it, and I'm turning to prepare the next spectator. In other words, I act as if what he's doing is important to the effect, but unimportant to me. By the way, if I'm at a table, I don't have the cards placed in the pockets, but instead have them covered, one by each hand. That keeps the action in full spectator view. He still gets to choose which card under which hand, which sets up for the end. |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
I do not perform this effect, however I read its description and there are a few ways to get round the problem. The easiest I would suggest is to keep a little finger break between the two cards beneath the key card, while the deck is still face up. Now you put the deck face down on the table and cut at the break in preparation for a riffle shuffle that'll keep the bottom and top card in place.
I suggested this because you mentioned you did the trick at a table. |
petersd Loyal user 237 Posts |
After spreading the cards to show they are in mixed order get a break and do a turnover pass bringing one card to the top and one to the bottom. Then do the shuffling and you are set.
Dave |
Claudio Inner circle Europe 1927 Posts |
It strikes me as wasteful to do a pass in a situation where you follow it by a shuffle.
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petersd Loyal user 237 Posts |
Keeping a break while turning the deck over is no cleaner and the break which will be held by the thumb can be noticed.
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Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
I'm with you, Petersd. I think it's very awkward and clumsy to try and turn a deck 180 degress holding a break. An injogged card is FAR superior, just a matter of me getting the handling smooth, I guess.
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petersd Loyal user 237 Posts |
Joshua,
I am not so sure the turnover pass is the way to go and I tried holding a break and that was the one thing that was awkward was having to turn the deck 180 degrees and I noticed that unless you cover well the break might potentially still be seen. Although, it may not be that bad if you play around with it. As far as injogging, have you tried just showing the cards mixed fairly quickly and injogging as you close the spread? I found that it isn't as noticeable. Dave |
Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Dave,
I'll give that a shot. So far, I injog while spreading. I'll try injogging while closing the spread instead. Do I understand that's what your suggesting? |
petersd Loyal user 237 Posts |
Joshua,
You got it. Another method is when you spread the cards do it in a somewhat messy manner and injog the card while spreading. Since the spread is not neat, the injog will be hidden. Dave |
Joshua Lozoff Inner circle Chapel Hill, NC 1332 Posts |
Great tips, Dave. Thanks.
Boy, this trick is in the miracle range. I just added it into one of my close-up routines, and people just see no point at which the magician could have manipulated the situation. It's just stunning. |
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