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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I perform mainly for friends.
I love this effect and I think every magician knows that has really good reactions, and they remember it for years. But its easy for some spectators to reconstruct the process and the other thing is that if someone was present in a previous performance he knows how it works, because he know where to concentrate. The worst thing is that two friends of mine, not involved in magic at all , they think that can perform it for children or their friends. Of course without teach them anything, they just think they know how it works is fair enough. One of them told me with pride “I tought the trick with the glass to some kids”! I didn't want to tell them “you are not allowed” but I didn't like it at all because they know nothing about the trick, so they perform it badly and they expose it. Unfortunately I stop performing the trick , but they still remind me when they see me! Do you perform it? Have you similar experience with this? I stoped perform it. |
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
So as I understand it, you have performed the glass thru table for friends, on multiple occasions. Why would you do that? Do something else. The old adage is "never repeat a trick", right? So any trick that you repeatedly show your friends is going to be subject to being figured out. There is no surprise. And worse, since as you point out, they know what is coming so they look for it. Not good.
So stop. Simple as that. The other thing is that it is not a trick on its own. It should be done in the process of a routine. What you are doing with the other props, balls, coins, whatever, provides the misdirection. The other thing is to leave some time between lapping the cup and revealing that it is gone. The longer you can let the napkin sit on the table, the more time misdirection takes place and they will be less apt to know when it happened. Just some thoughts. As far as your friends teaching the trick to kids, that shouldn't bother you. Maybe they will get interested in learning more about magic in the process. If it bothers you that they aren't doing it properly, offer to teach them. What is the harm? They already know the basics, now show them how it should be done and then teach them all of the other things that go into making it mysterious. Again, it is not a stand-alone effect in my opinion. Good luck!
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I performed it second time after many years, not the same day.
Also I believe the problem with the reconstruction is there even if you perform it once.Some they find it completely magical, some they will understand the method of misdirection, and they try to perform it. Never happens this to me with another trick. I agree that is not a stand alone trick. |
MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Glass through table is one of those tricks that is often taught in magic books, magic videos, and magic classes. Keep learning new tricks and maybe do this trick only for young kids
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
If you learn from Dai Vernon on this, you can blow people away. You use a coin in it too.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I agree countrymaven. It is a killer for a layman. And if you know the method exposes basic principles of general magic
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
But I don't want to give a source away. Make people work for their magic. Search Vernon and you will not be wasting time.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
I think you refer to stars of magic book, one of the best coins and glass routine...
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
It is not there. Hehe.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Malini and his magic then.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I said Vernon. But you have to work this search a little.
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CardGuyMike Special user 787 Posts |
If you just google "glass through table trick" you'll see it's been exposed quite a bit. Penn and Teller even teach this on their recent Masterclass project, which includes the most basic sleights.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Here in Greece, a country without any tradition in magic, there is no exposed at all. When I performed it jaws dropped.
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Vogler Special user Greece 707 Posts |
Countrymaven, I don't want to tell me the source, but I don't appreciate your attitude. You can imagine how useful would be any magic forum if the people were like you, very patronizing.
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MeetMagicMike Inner circle Gainesville Fl 3501 Posts |
Hi Vogler,
In your opinion what are the qualities that make a magic forum useful? And who are the people who would find it useful? |
countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Thanks Vogler,
I appreciate your post. I apologize to you if it seems like I am being mean. Very often I will give a direct source. But in this case, someone will be forced to do a good search through Vernon. Through his non card effects. Vernon was great at cards. But sometimes we forget just how great he was at other magic. The search required will be a great gift to anyone because they will find other things along the way. You will be thankful that you didn't just find something right away. You will be very thankful for going through a lot of other great stuff. I did give the creator away. But again, in this case, you will gain so much by going through his non card effects, that you would thank me in the end. Also, I have performed it Vernon's way and had it considered an absolute miracle. Did it with a mayonaise jar and a coin. It is Vernon's addition to this that made it great. GREAT. We are not required to give away all secrets here at M.C. But I did give the creator. In this case, it is more helpful to give the creator and to let people go through his great magic. IN this case, I would even say, Vernon turned the glass through table into a "possible miracle" in the right hands. |
Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Obviously there has been a dramatic shift in the way things are done. When many of us baby boomers began in magic, secrets were treated like buried treasure. You had to dig to find it. Even among magicians, secrets were seldom tipped. Generally there was a quid pro quo, where I'll show you mine if you show me yours. But some wouldn't even do that. There is great benefit in that. You witnessed an effect, then had to go and figure out a way to duplicate it. Sometimes you came up with an even better trick. Sometimes you came up with a different effect entirely. That is growth.
Nowadays, when you see something cool you simply have to wait a week or a month and surely someone will expose it on the internet. Don't believe me? You are living under a rock. Some of the stuff on 'Fool Us' is revealed before the video has cooled off. So it's a different world. And with that comes people expecting to be given information on demand. I didn't think countrymaven was being mean, but I can understand why Vogler might be frustrated. It is because in most other arenas there is zero resistance. Zero respect for information. It is always more satisfying when you have to work for it.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Dear Vogler, I respect other magicians a lot. I just got back from meeting with a good magician friend. But he has some strengths in some things, me in others. I am not assuming I am better than others. I was just thinking again, in this case, it will be better for all who read this to study Vernon. His magic without cards has some real gems. We all know he rocks in cards. This trick in particular has some subtleties that will change your thinking. But so do some other of his tricks. So I know I am doing a favor in letting people do a search.
AS a gentleman said above, if you have to wait and search, often you come up with other ideas. But in a month or so if you have not found it let me know and I will pm it to you. I think the magic Café overall is great if you stick with it. Some people really try to be mean. But others might just be misunderstanding their intentions. Overall, you can learn more here , and be helped more than just about any place I know of. |
El Mystico Special user 573 Posts |
Hi Vogler; I'd hoped that, as someone involved in magic for twenty years, you'd appreciate the benefit of the Encyclopedia of Card Tricks, but I guess I was wrong again.
Check out what David Britland has to say about it http://cardopolis.blogspot.com/2002/08/d......mer.html |
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