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Winter has finally caught up with me,...😕.
Slowed me down to the point,
where I can start making some sence of where I've been running....🙃

I had a chance to watch a few things posted here,
as well as a couple of Mb's clips, he passed over to me.
(Thanks Marion 😉!)

What hit me in the face, is the simple question:
What makes some folks 'handling', seem sö....'light'?
...sö 'easy'?
...sö 'playfull'?

,...compared to my 'meat-chopper movements'?

I mean: Some guys hands and movements look smooth, appealing,...gracefull.
Mine ARE(!) often: clumped, grob, grostesque,...'small',
...not really nice to look at.

What are the roots of this?
My genes?
My attitude?
My experience,..lack of?
Practise techniques?,...lack of?
Not watching,..studying 'the Masters' enough?
...should I be 'watching' more?
....'copying' styles,...while practising?

....or should I simply stick to the brick-laying?

I emulate and drull(!) over a lot of the smoothness in technique and performance,
displayed here,
...from a Magician's Perspective.
How did you guys develope it?
This,..'grace'.
Aesthetics in movement.

Any advise, hunches, 'solid tipps', or mere exercises(!) would be appreciated.
Thank you,
gallagher
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Very interesting question, gallagher. Your mention of "meat chopper movements" and attitude caught my eye. Everything starts with you, so attitude is significant. I wonder about your timing. ie. Do you chop your movements the way you chop your text? You have rhythm. Quite regular. I'd be interested to see what might happen if you started allowing your lines to be longer. Even as an experiment, you might notice a different feeling in the work, be it magic or text. Just a guess based on the information available to me. What do you think? Smile
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I like to practice/fool around while listening to music. I don't consciously focus on the beat, but your movements sort of fall in line. Kinda the way you just find yourself tapping your foot to the rhythm of a great song.

After a while, with practice, the rhythm stays without the music. Choppiness becomes flow, almost a dance.
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I would begin by observing my everyday movements and how they sound, speed and tempo etc. By sound, I mean your footsteps, the way you place plates and cutlery down, close and open doors.. If you are after more ease and grace, begin by observing your body. I’m not suggesting you control it in some way rather, observe and see what’s happening in a non judgmental way. Meditation helps too.

Thank you for your honesty Gallagher. Be kind to yourself 🌱
What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything? Vincent V.G
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On Jan 25, 2020, Rick Holcombe wrote:
I like to practice/fool around while listening to music. I don't consciously focus on the beat, but your movements sort of fall in line. Kinda the way you just find yourself tapping your foot to the rhythm of a great song.

After a while, with practice, the rhythm stays without the music. Choppiness becomes flow, almost a dance.


Best idea/hint ever! Smile
Ditto what Rick said. Once I've worked out a move or moves, I will put on music and practice. Dependng on the beat/pacing desired, you choose the music.
As mentioned, it's dancing of the hands....which helping get rid of the jerky tight movements.
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Tried that... listening to AC/DC didn't help! Smile

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Maybe you're just a heavy handed guy generally. If that is the case, than trying to affect a light touch would make everything you do seem incongruous with how you are.

Rather than try and emulate people with a soft touch, how about embracing who you are and making that YOUR thing.

If you want real advice, the best thing would be to post some video clips of you performing.
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Hi Gallagher,
I know you have imagination. Even the best guys don't always pull something off smoothly.
But what has helped me a lot is temporarily BELIEVING real MAGIC is happening. AFter all, if you are just doing finger flicking moves, nobody really cares. Why should they?
some might enjoy them a little. but the wonder and joy comes from believing it is magic. It starts with you.
Just try it . YOu will see .
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On Jan 29, 2020, dogmonkey wrote:
Maybe you're just a heavy handed guy generally. If that is the case, than trying to affect a light touch would make everything you do seem incongruous with how you are.

Rather than try and emulate people with a soft touch, how about embracing who you are and making that YOUR thing.

If you want real advice, the best thing would be to post some video clips of you performing.


I've seen some performance and other video clips of gallagher. He's shared a bit in the Not Very Magical, Still. Those clips are part of the "information available to me" I referred to and they provide great insight into gallagher's timing emphasis. Maybe a natural inclination, but also quite possibly a trained one.

Embracing one's uniqueness still allows experimentation with and increase of range. Learning is lifelong and our potential is great.
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Well said Laurie!
Our potential is great, is great!
What would life be if we had no courage to attempt anything? Vincent V.G
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"Well,...I wanted to be a Dancer,...but the music always threw me off."
(hee 😊 hee 😊 heee 😊,.....😪sob 😪sob 😪sob 😕)

Thank you very much for the shared thoughts,
...for the REAL thought(!).
It's very helpfull.

Before I lose myself, in discussing 'specifics',
I will try to explain myself, a little better.
I've been working with this 'problem',
after discovering the direction I want to persue.

I'm am try to develope an aesthetical display of magical movement. 🤔
...and the 'aesthetics' are missing...😕

That probably sounds like a big pile of poop(!) (😊),
...but,
it took a couple of years of work until I figured out what it was!...!
It's not poop.

Adressing Countrymaven first: I agree wholeheartedly with what you say. 👍
I want Magic to be,...the bottom line. The outcome.
I think,..believe,...HOPE, that this can still be achieved,..AFTER,..(during) a display of technical skill.
I know, Dai Vernon, as well as many others disagree(d), with this.
I believe it IS possible.
(i just can't do it.....🙃)
But,.,like you,,.,I believe Magic,..IS 'the great entertainment factor'.
It must be stronger,...then the fluff.
,....like a good Latta Macchiato,..the coffee has to come thru.
I think it can be done.

Magiclaurie, you're good.
Did you ever consider a profession in Analytical Psychology? (🙂)
"Embracing one's uniqueness still allows experimentation...."
Bravo.

(I like to say: Argue for my Limitations,...and they're mine. 🙃)

...with my writing,
I like 'breaking', in order to give my mind,..and tongue,...and my reader's mind,...a pause.
By nature, I'm a slow person.
I need to catch my breath,,.and ponder,...often.
Physically however,..I believe,..'a smoothness', is within my reach.
It's my goal.

Rich Holcombe, Max T.,...
you guys are 'Vorbilden',....
(I lost that word in english,..🤔
...it simply means,...'F***ing Great!',...in a motivational sence! 😊)
You show me,..what's possible(!).
With music, however,..
I believe I'm too analytical.
,....or, like J-Mac,...too much AC/DC!
(Thanks Mac. 🎶👍🎶!)

Music,..at least at my stage,..
I believe,...I'm still thinking too much about,,..
what I should be doing.....
Thinking too much,..can be a pain,...in the brain.
But...

The Joke of it all,..
probably where the answer lies,...lays(!), as well:
I'm a Musician.
...well,
let's just say,
I earn my livelyhood, primarily with a good deal of Music.

It only comes to me, through,..........practise.

Practise.
Practise.

I guess I keep hoping for this,...'little secret',...
when,
the Practise is what's missing.

I believe, as well, through seeing what you guys are doing,..
IT IS POSSIBLE.
And THAT'S a BIG step.
Because,..I am also,..now,,.,understanding,...what's going on(!).

Goldfield,...I have to admit, your Post made me sit deeper in my chair(!).
It's soothing.
It's compassionate.
I didn't expect that(!).
I really appreciate it. Really.
(I love your 'picture', under your name, as well!
...have to think of Rilke when I see it. thanks.)

Practise. There's no way around it,...is there.
But,...I do have a 'vision'.
A film will come.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Thanks for considering mine.
You folks are honestly a big help.
Gallagher
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On Jan 26, 2020, Max T. Oz wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 25, 2020, Rick Holcombe wrote:
I like to practice/fool around while listening to music. I don't consciously focus on the beat, but your movements sort of fall in line. Kinda the way you just find yourself tapping your foot to the rhythm of a great song.

After a while, with practice, the rhythm stays without the music. Choppiness becomes flow, almost a dance.


Best idea/hint ever! Smile
Ditto what Rick said. Once I've worked out a move or moves, I will put on music and practice. Dependng on the beat/pacing desired, you choose the music.
As mentioned, it's dancing of the hands....which helping get rid of the jerky tight movements.


What kind of music and/or does it depend on the sleight choreography?
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Dance lessons? Or if you look at an acting dept at most universities, there's usually a class called something like "Movement for Actors." Which basically means, "Here's a class for you people who can't dance." I took lots of those classes. I still am a lousy dancer, but at least I'm a little more aware of what my body is capable of.

Tai Chi is good too.
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When I was Younger I took Some Mine Classes ! To see how my Hands would Look When I was Holding Some thing That was not there ! Or tossing Something that was not there ! It helped Me a Lot with my Flow !!! Smile
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Gallager, my friend, you are asking questions that all magicians have asked to advance to the next level. The truth is no matter how good you become,
once in a while, someone may not be impressed by a trick . But you push forward.

Another thing, do you have a local magic club where you can find some good magicians to coach you and help you some? that would be great, if you have one w some good people locally.
All the best.

Some magicians who were kind of sloppy in technique just embraced who they were and became some of the greatest magicians. Look at Max Malini his hands were not big enough to cover the cards. What he didn't have in smoothness, he traded for misdirection--WILD MISDIRECTION. Nobody had a clue. Also, if you can perform some things, some very short things, as you go around town, you will be surprised at things you learn. And how much you improve. If you keep asking questions like this and find magicians near you who want to help, you will just keep going to the next level. And being you. Because people like to see the real you. Not an acrobat. You . There is nobody in the world like you. YOu are a special creation. Unique. It will happen .
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Hey G. If you quit smashing things with that big mallet maybe it would be better for you. Just kidding. Check out Rick Holcombe who commented early his YouTube stuff is great. He’s also a great guitarist
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Just a thought: maybe a little time blowing soap bubbles and catching them on the loop.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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I am a bit late to this exploration,
captive of care for ailing wife and such --
with time to practice forgotten sleights,
but asking questions of will and intent.

'Tis said that magic observed profoundly
cannot exceed that from nurtured within
the performer's capacity for awe&wonder --
or limited some by the lack of same and will.

Perhaps this applies to technique as well,
found in ploys and sleights and subterfuge.
As these should be never seen nor recalled,
their fine use must be "never happened" too.

Does this mean practice to automatic,
or variety to allow for spontaneity?
Are the practiced flow of body and hand
without a sleight a necessity?

You may ask why some coin performances
seem so flowing in symphony and ease,
while some seem ill at ease, discordant --
something lost in engagement and magic.

I would suggest that this is an answer
rather than a question or pondering.
Jonathan's quip provides a simple clue.
Look to everything you do and feel.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst



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Thank you.

It really makes me happy,
seeing this Post come up again(!).
Initially, it gave me a push,
in a couple of directions,..
and a big handfull of motivation!

Kendrix, I know(!) of this youtub clip,
from Rick Holcombe! 👍
Yeah!
You're absolutely right.
As I watched it,
and he mentioned it,,.
I thought he was talking directly to me!
(Thanks Rick. 💋)

Jonathan, you ALWAYS push me(!),
....sometimes I'm now even sure how(!...!),
...or where!
I always enjoy your sharings. 👍

Funsway,...you nailed,...MANY points of my 'struggles'(?),
.....search. 💫
You really hit on a lot.
From 'technique', to Practise, to 'the answer'.
I really apprciate the thought,...you share.

. . . .. . . . . . . *. . . . . . . . . .. ö .. . . .

What I've been working on, for some time,
is a 'manipulation'-Act,
that many would shelf as a 'juggling'-number.

I have NOT been able to get it to work.
My vision, is for a piece that is 'ästhetically',..visually,..appealing.
Through 'technique' and movement.
The 'magic' is included for 'added entertainment'.

No humourous lines. No funny visual gags.

Colour. Movement....surprise.

I believe, my block,..is my stiffelt personality, while performing.
Things are,..were too stiff.
The broad book of Ästhetics,
does not include the word 'stiff'.

Smoothness. Naturalness.

I've received many tipps,..
and a BUCKET OF MOTIVATION(!),
from reading you guy's thoughts.

Thank you.
....i'm practising again. 🙃
Gallagher
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And thank you for pushing us all.

Every question and answer progresses us all forward, not always in a straight line or speedily up a hill, but still forward. Smile

Forward is good, and the only thing that equals it is when we stop to better think, and or, stop to help another in magic, in life.
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