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...but I have the TCC ACAB 2.0 cups from Michael Ammar and they are a little different.


besides the different metal and finish?


Yes, the shape as well. The Legend Cups and the TCC ACAB 2.0 cups look very similar, but they don't stack interchangeably.
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I should be getting a set today to check them out.
Will post back some brief thoughts.
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Well after the post office misdirecting our mail, the Legend Cups have arrived. I was first impressed on how much the delivery box weighed.

I ordered my set from Hocus-Pocus over the past weekend, 150.00 with free 2 day Priority Mail. Thanks to the gang at HP.

Upon opening the box, everything was very securely packed. The box containing the cups s a work of art in itself. Upon opening the box I
was greeted by a beautiful piece of printed parchment. I lifted the parchment to reveal the beautiful shiny copper cups, or so I thought. I'll get
back to what I mean by that further into the review.

I was a little dismayed by the fact that there was nothing between each cup ie. Tissue Paper. But to my relief there was no marks on any of the
cups, again so I thought. The silk interior of the box is just Classy. It includes (4) 1 1/8" crocheted balls in wool, I'm not a fan of wool yarn, but
the balls are nice.

Each cup weight is different, 8.7, 8.6 and 8.9, total stacked weight 1 lb 11oz. You can do a 3 ball stack with them and each cup took a Penn
regulation tennis ball with no sticking. Moves like cup through cup works great without effort. The stacking is solid, very little if any rock at all.
The rings like bells when mouth up and tapped. Again more on this later, as I know I made a post earlier stating copper will ring depending on
alloys involved.

I'll let others review the handling and performance of the cups. Ok, onto the "So I thought" notations.

The cups are not spun, they are definitely CNC cups, which is not a bad thing. This adds to their weight and consistency. The difference in weight
between cup was minor and also common in CNC mass produced metals.

I purposely did a scratch test and a density test on one of the cups. Why? Because you are NOT getting Copper cups, you are getting Copper Plated
cups, the base material is brass after doing an chemical test on the scratch test I made. This is why they ring like Bells. No copper I have ever machined
on a manual lathe or our CNC here ever resulted in the type of ring you get with these cups. To advertise these cup as Copper is just not right. With a retal
of 150.00 there is no way machinable Copper, usually C110 which is the cheapest of Copper right now. There was a reason Johnson could get 350.00 for
their limited Copper cups, they are real copper.

After using a chemical test on the scratch test I did, it turned Black which indicted Bronze or Brass.

The "So I Thought" on the statement of No Marks on the cups, I was wrong once I looked inside the cups. The are 4 dots in the cups, each identical in each
cup. These are what I refer to as "Racking Scars" they are left behind from the rack when electroplating. Based on the Racking Scars and the depth of the
scratch test the plating is not that heavy on these.

Another tell tale sign of plating is what we call "Hot Spots". On the exterior of the cup I felt little pricks, this happens when the density of parts vary on
an item being plated and more of the plating is drawn to one spot. All 3 of my cups have a bunch of Hot Spots. This does take away from the finish as
it is uncomfortable performing with cups that have so many spots.

All in all, for 150.00 you really can't beat these cups, but how soon they will wear the plating off is going to be determined on how much you use them. They
look nice out and in the box, but durability of the plating is my concern. Mine will never wear off simply because I won't use them, I use Paul Fox and Gazzo cups
exclusively.

Out of 5 Stars I rate the following:

Purchase 5
Price 5
Honesty from Murphys 0
Packaging 5
Finish 3
Durability of Copper Plating 2
Recommendation to Collectors only 5
Recommendation to Heavy Use Performers 0

-MJJ
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Jake Jr... I hope you and the family are doing well.

That was one of the best Cup reviews I have read in a long while...Good job.

Take care,
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Thanks Jake!
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Thanks Jake!! You will not have that problem with the 1000-G cups! They are exactly as described. No B.S. Just straight forward honesty. That is the best approach!
If you have to mislead customers to sell a product, why sell it? If you are a worker, why buy a product that is not going to last a lifetime?
Designer of the 1000-G cups - the most durable cups in magic www.kristiancharles.com/1000-g
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Holy smokes Jake! Can you please review EVERY new magic prop out there? What a thorough, honest, educated, and unbiased commentary. We can only hope you do more prop reviews in the future...we'll all benefit! Thank you sir.
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Holy smokes Jake! Can you please review EVERY new magic prop out there? What a thorough, honest, educated, and unbiased commentary. We can only hope you do more prop reviews in the future...we'll all benefit! Thank you sir.


Hi Wiz, how have you been? I don't like leaving a review like this.

Thank you to those who appreciated the review.

One thing I did leave out is the Seat or Saddle of the cup. For the style of the cup they seem too small to me. But then I put the Penn Tennis ball onto the Seat of the cup and I was Wowed by it. It really helps the illusion of the
final load being too large to fit the cup. This is a plus to me.

Kindest Regards,
-MJJ
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Thanks Jake!! You will not have that problem with the 1000-G cups! They are exactly as described. No B.S. Just straight forward honesty. That is the best approach!
If you have to mislead customers to sell a product, why sell it? If you are a worker, why buy a product that is not going to last a lifetime?


KC, I have no doubt about the G1000 cups. As soon as I square up with you, they will be replacing my Gazzo for fair performances & events here locally. I'm not a street
performer but I love performing for locals at our special town events. I can't wait to get my hands on them.

-MJJ
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I need to make a correction. The balls supplied are Cotton Crochet thread, not wool. I apologize for my error.

-MJJ
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I got my set yesterday. Great packaging but I could really care less about that especially given conservation issues.
I think the entire world needs to simplify and start getting used to less waste. Nonetheless very nice if you’re into that.

The cups are heavy. Perhaps too heavy.
They feel like heavier, bigger Johnson cups.

They can’t compare to Sherwood cups.

Personally I I’ll take a spun set any day.
They have more personality and feel more “alive” in my hands.
It’s hard to describe but perhaps some will know what I mean.

Balls are nice.
They look nice.
Shape is good. Saddle is just right. Much like the Johnson saddle.

I could see myself using them with no complaints.

As long as you know what you’re getting you shouldn’t be disappointed.


Jake
Thanks for going the extra mile with the scratch test.
They do feel “brass-ish” for sure. Not surprised.

Frank
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Jake, thank you for the wonderful review ! Learned a lot from the post!
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Wow. Could not have asked for a better product overview. Thanks for the time you put into this detailed review Jake. Cheers my friend!
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I may have missed it but is a set of balls included? If so what size and color and by chance will one cup be chopped?
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Jake, thank you for the wonderful review ! Learned a lot from the post!


Ditto! Great, informative review, Jake. Thanks!
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Mike... Jake Jr review says 1/18 in another review I read the balls are blue.

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Mike... Jake Jr review says 1/18 in another review I read the balls are blue.

Take care,
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Hi Bruce, hope you are doing well yourself. We're all fine here, or at least as well as to be expected Smile

The balls that came with my set were Red, they might vary in colors.

Kindest Regards,
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I may have missed it but is a set of balls included? If so what size and color and by chance will one cup be chopped?


BLUE balls were included with the Artistic Cups and Balls 2.0 (Micheal Ammar).
No Chop.
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I got red balls as well and they are quite nice, IMO.
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I got red balls as well and they are quite nice, IMO.


Frank, with you on that, they are very nice. The reason I first thought they were wool, was because a thicker thread
is used, which is advantage with some moves.
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