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I recently purchased a set of the Legend Cups and Balls with the polished copper finish as well as a set of Michael Ammar's Artistic Cups and Balls v. 2. I will share a few observations.

Regarding the sonic properties, the cups in each set ring beautifully when struck. However, the pitch of the Artistic Cups and Balls v. 2 is higher than the Legend cups. It is interesting to note that the sound of the TCC Artistic Cups and Balls v. 1, as demonstrated on the promotional video on Penguin and elsewhere, is the same as the Legend cups. It therefore seems likely that the Legend cups are indeed copper plated and rebadged versions of the TCC Artistic Cups and Balls v. 1, as surmised by yin_howe, kcmagic1 and others.

The weight of the ACAB v.2 cups are around 10 oz. each. The Legend cups are around 9 oz. each.

It should be noted that balls in each set are slightly smaller than the 1 1/8 inch balls provided by RNT2 and Sherwood. If you plan on using balls from these manufacturers with either set, they will stack only two on the saddle instead of three.

Lastly, many thanks to Jake, Alex and Frank for your detailed reviews!

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Kit, now you've raised some interesting facts. I have both legend sets now and they ring at a higher pitch than the Artistic sets. At 150.00 they could all just go "Clunk" and
I would still be happy with them for the price paid for them. I plan on getting both Artistic 1 & 2, but another cup manufacturer made my wallet lighter by $750.00. I really
look forward to getting and using the hell of KC's CNC stainless cups.

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Just think, it's really a small price to pay for something that you can use the hell out of and then, use the hell out of again and again!
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Which came first? the artistic C&B or the legend C&B?
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On Feb 25, 2020, MagicVin wrote:
Which came first? the artistic C&B or the legend C&B?


Artistic v1 in 2017
Artistic v2 in 2018
Legend 2020

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Artistic v1 in 2017
Artistic v2 in 2018
Legend 2020

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the reason I ask is I just saw this topic https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......orum=218 from 2016
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Maybe they have never released it.
But that is an interesting find.

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Maybe they have never released it.
But that is an interesting find.

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Alex, I am sure it was released, otherwise, there wouldn't be a trailer attached to the post from 2016. I am curious as well as to why these are now being made into a big deal. The truth is that, although these are heavier duty than others, they will not hold up long term for someone who uses these rough or someone who does several hundred shows per year. They might hold up for a year or two but will ultimately need to be replaced. If the copper coating starts to wear off, they will need to be replaced if you like your props to look a certain way.

An easier way to look at it is, let's say, you are going to be doing a cup routine for 10 years. The cups last two years and need to be replaced. You will have to buy 5 sets of cups throughout the 10 year span. Each set is $150.00. That's a total of $750.00 assuming the cost never goes up, which is highly unlikely. If you plan on performing longer than that, the number goes up and so on. Unless you are a collector, the true question is why would someone want to spend the money on a product that will need to be replaced time and time again? In my case, it was jumbo cups. I needed to replace my cups every year. Not because I wanted to, but because after that long, they did not function properly or as I needed them to. The cost of a good quality copper jumbo cup is $400.00 minimum. You can do the math.
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Mad Jake did you ever end up getting the Michael Ammar Deluxe (artistic 2.0) cups? Still curious what you have to say about them even them vs the legend ones
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Mad Jake did you ever end up getting the Michael Ammar Deluxe (artistic 2.0) cups? Still curious what you have to say about them even them vs the legend ones


Not yet. The 1000-G cups got in the way Smile
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Mad Jake did you ever end up getting the Michael Ammar Deluxe (artistic 2.0) cups? Still curious what you have to say about them even them vs the legend ones


Not yet. The 1000-G cups got in the way Smile


Hopefully you are still enjoying them! And that you feel like they are still worth the price tag!
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[/quote]

Hopefully you are still enjoying them! And that you feel like they are still worth the price tag! [/quote]

Ok, now those two questions are really really Silly Smile
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It's been a while since most people received these.
Do the Legend Cups patina? or is there a coating that prevents patina?
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It's been a while since most people received these.
Do the Legend Cups patina? or is there a coating that prevents patina?


The set I own with the polished copper finish have not yet acquired a patina.
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The set I own with the polished copper finish have not yet acquired a patina.


Thanks man. I was hoping that they DO patina. Oh well...
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HI Does anyone know here to get a set of soft soccer balls for the cups routine? I can only find baseballs by Leo Smesters herein the UK and have more use for the football (soccer) version.
I need 4 but will buy more in case of losing one!!
Thanks
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HI Does anyone know here to get a set of soft soccer balls for the cups routine? I can only find baseballs by Leo Smesters herein the UK and have more use for the football (soccer) version.
I need 4 but will buy more in case of losing one!!
Thanks
SSR.

I posted in the other forum as well but a party supply store should have them. I know around here it is Party city that carries them. I don't believe that you can buy only the soccer balls but they come in an assortment so you may have to get a couple packs.
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The polished plated copper cups are showing up all over for 75.00 a set new. I noticed this in several online stores.
Hocus-Pocus has them for 74.95 for a set. You can't go wrong now especially at this price. I found several dealers
on eBay as well selling at 75.00 a set.
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That is a very good price for a good set of cups.
Too heavy for me but overall, a great set of cups.

You can't go wrong unless you're picky about getting spun cups or cups that are perfectly weighted.
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On Aug 23, 2020, Mad Jake wrote:
The polished plated copper cups are showing up all over for 75.00 a set new. I noticed this in several online stores.
Hocus-Pocus has them for 74.95 for a set. You can't go wrong now especially at this price. I found several dealers
on eBay as well selling at 75.00 a set.



Do you mind sharing where you are seeing it for 75? I saw one on Ebay for like 85, but rather go to a store for 75 if possible... Thanks
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