I've been contemplating getting a set of polished copper Cups and Balls by Legend. Anyone have them? Would like your thoughts on quality, weight, etc. So hard trying to figure it out looking at a picture. https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/13020

Cheers!

They appear to be a version of the pdx or pfd? cups that penguin was offering. With that in mind, they are made in China and, in my opinion, the quality was ok for a beginner but definitely not for the professional. The mouth opening was 2.75". As far as whether you should spend money on them, that all depends on your needs for the cups and what type of performer that you are.

Is it just me, or are these the copper versions of the TCC Artistic Cups (Brass)?

Yes. Upon further review of the cups and watching the actual trailer, I would say that you are correct. Vanishing Inc. also puts out a set very similar to these. It says that they weigh about a half a pound each. I would definitely beware of the lemon final load. It will hold a lemon but not a large lemon.

Look like TCC in copper. If so they will hold a wilson tennis ball. Waiting on confirmation. Definitely not the PFD's. Which, I used for years as my workers. Not taking a pricey set on the streets.

Just finished a chat session with the folks at Penguin Magic. They said the cups are 3” tall and 3” wide. Hmmmm. Would not confirm if these are TCC wannabe’s or not. I noticed Vanishing Magic sells the same Legend set. That price is hard to resist for a knock around set. I was originally waiting for the PFD cups to come back in stock but no one seems to able to get them. Drats!

You can pick up some PFD's at
https://www.propdog.co.uk/pfd-cups-balls, they have them in stock.

Wondering if one of the Legend cups is a ‘combo’ cup?

The more I look and study these the more I’m convinced they are a replica of TCC Artistic cups in copper as mentioned earlier. They don’t appear on the TCC webpage.

From what I have heard, creating copper CNC cups are a pain which is why you don’t see them often. Obviously it isn’t impossible. Johnson created a limited amount in copper.

TCC has released Artistic Cups & Balls ver 2 in Nov last year.

It is currently only available in China.

I got a set and it is gorgeous.

https://alexhuimagic.wixsite.com/magic?p......a57c9e4f

I am thinking to get Legend Cups too cos the color is different. I think they are the same as TCC's.

Alex Hui
Hong Kong

Thanks Alex. I saw the Artistic version 2 cups on the TCC website as well. They do look nice. If you get a set of the Legend cups I hope you let us know what you think of the quality, feel, and weight.

The ring confuses me. Copper does not ring.

Actually sound travels through copper at is 4,600 meters per second. The fastest is aluminum at 6,320 meters per second. Copper alloys of brass and bronze are preferred metals in musical instruments. According to Wikipedia, “Bell metal is a hard alloy used for making bells and related instruments, such as cymbals. It is a form of bronze with a higher tin content, usually in approximately a 4:1 ratio of copper to tin (typically, 78% copper, 22% tin by mass)”.

Copper will ring, but as Icantsleep pointed out the alloys play a big part. In cups, the if the mouth bead is open from the side of the cup it will allow
the copper to ring, nothing like brass or bronze or even stainless for that matter, but it will ring. Another factor is the annealing of the metal that
depends on whether is will ring or not.

I ordered a set of Legend cups from Hocus-Pocus, just out of curiosity. I hope to get them this week and will share about their properties and quality.

-MJJ

Can’t wait to hear your thoughts Mad Jake!

I have ordered a set. I will do a in-depth review next week.

Alex Hui
Hong Kong

I picked up a set of the polished copper and here are some initial observations. They are just about 9 ounces each and they stack very well. They sort of take a brand new regulation Penn tennis ball, but it is a little tight and I have to wiggle the cup a bit to release it. Maybe Wilson balls are a tiny bit smaller, and maybe a used ball would work. That is how close it is. I have a bunch of Chinese tennis balls that are closer to 2.5" and they fit easily. The only criticism is that the insides are not polished. They aren't as bad as the Penguin cups but they aren't pretty either. Mine have some mild burn looking marks on the inside. I actually don't care too much about that, but if you do, you can get something like Wright's copper cream or Penny-Brite and scrub the inside of each cup for a couple of minutes. It still won't make them perfect but it will improve it. The outside of the cups look perfect. I don't have any ACAB cups but I have the TCC ACAB 2.0 cups from Michael Ammar and they are a little different.

Thanks for the information BobMc. Very helpful. I followed the “Instant Patina” method by Bruce Smith on a set of polished copper cups I had and was pleased with the results. It took out some minor imperfections in the finish. Literally took about an hour of work time and the results were amazing inside and out. They ended up looking like the patina on Gazzo’s cups. Not everyone likes that look but for street work I think it lends to the effect.

besides the different metal and finish?