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icantsleep
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So I’ve been practicing the VWS and was having a heck of a time with the actual vanish. The wand always seemed in an awkward position. I learned the spin from the Michael Ammar’ DVD. In it he says the fingers begin and end in the same position. Well , that’s not exactly true. When the business takes place, the wand actually does another half rotation so your palm is facing down- Wand in fist and tip facing the hand supposedly holding the ball. Wonder why Ammar didn’t explain to add the extra rotation?
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I too learned the spin from that DVD - technically what he's saying is true. The fingers do begin and end in the same position regarding the actual vanish, however that additional spin at the end is really for show. The vanish itself doesn't require that part, though admittedly it looks better.
I've been doing the spin for years in my routine. It's a matter of turning the wrist down once you've caught the ball. I do the whole thing as I turn my body to gesture to the right hand, so those combined motions provide plenty of cover.
It's a tricky move but SO worth it once you've got it. Keep at it!
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Great points. Thanks Andrew!
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Thanks Andrew for being so helpful to this user. It is rare posts like yours that are the best contributions on the M.C.
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Can't resist.

I remember Bob Read doing it and getting the wand to finish by spinning around his upturned thumb.

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I’m learning the move from the same DVD. I really want to get it perfect, are there any other resources that any one knows of to learn that specific move?
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Tom Fenton
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Brian Watson put out an very good book on this.
You may want to contact him, he is a member here.
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In David Regal's excellent version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_km0-c-n2g

he uses a wand spin. He explains it on his More Tricks video.

His explanation was very good, it filled in a lot of the gaps from some other explanations I had read and seen.
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Landmark:

Thanks for posting this.....

David Regal does an OUTSTANDING cups and balls routine here.....and he should be very, VERY proud of it!
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Hey Icantsleep.....Thanks for starting this thread, because of all the time stuck at home I had a list of things to start working on and after reading this I've moved the wand spin/vanish to the top of the list!. I've been working on it for about a week and I happily have the wand spin down!......The vanish is another story, but that's slowly coming along, More practice to come. So far I've dropped the ball on the floor, a few times into my pouch, a few onto the table, and then there is the wand dropping and once even let the wand get away from me and if I was performing for an audience the poor person to the front left of my table would've gotten poked in the eye! Yup much more practice to come. I have been using the book and DVD of Ammar's complete cups and balls, it's got good detail and is a good resource and worked for me.
Keep up the spinning!!!!!
Bruce
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I plan on Starting work on the wand spin vanish, the strike vanish, & of course more work on my Cups and Balls routine as a whole this weekend. Any advice on any of it (either vanish or just the C&B)? I have both of the Michael Ammar DVD’s, I have all 3 of the DVDs by Darryl ( Essentials in Magic Cups and Balls, & Master Course Cups and Balls Vol. 1 & Vol. 2 ) as well as the bob white DVD & the Jamy Ian Swiss A Masterclass in the Cups & Balls - DVD. I usually learn better from Video but I’m not out right opposed to written material if some one has a suggestion on something that they think will Be a real game changer.
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Great resource list and I'm sure you'll find most of the same info in each other than presentation differences. I always approached the C&B by learning the moves first, loading, displaying cups empty, holding out, different moves with stacks of cups etc and then I learned the basic routine I think it was Vernon's and then worked to come up with my own routine, that's the part that took some time. But once you have the moves and process, (the vocabulary) then you can work on your own routine (the language)
that's how I did it.....
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May I suggest practicing over a bed or a sofa but facing a mirror (at a safe distance of course). I learned that here at the Café and it helped me achieve the spin. Also, make sure you have a good grip on the wand. Ammar’s rubber covered Mercury is great for that. Otherwise use Kwik Grip on your hands and maybe coat a bit on the wand. My 2 Centavos.
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