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People keep mentioning that is reminds them of Gypsy Queen. To be fair that sort of reminds me of Jay Sankey's Fine Print which I got from Elmwoood Magic and they shut down quite sometime ago. Just some food for thought.
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Will the deck be m@#:Ť! like Gypsy queen? If not, I think itís a step backwards like the FU deck.

In this day and age if you are going to blatantly copy an effect / method it would be nice to at least add an improvement of some sort. Pretending this is new by linking it to the ID isnít fooling anyone.
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Donít all effects of this ilk have their origins in Paul Curryís Touch? IĎm not sure I understand what the contention is. Gypsy Queen and this trick use the same principle of Touch, if not exactly the same routining, (Touch relies on an extra card for a clean reveal of the prediction) and they are aesthetically different from that effect and each other. Iím not trying to start anything, I am genuinely curious as to why thereís any issue at all.
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On Feb 13, 2020, DynaMix wrote:
Will the deck be m@#:Ť! like Gypsy queen? If not, I think itís a step backwards like the FU deck.

In this day and age if you are going to blatantly copy an effect / method it would be nice to at least add an improvement of some sort. Pretending this is new by linking it to the ID isnít fooling anyone.


Good point in ref to locating their named card. Have ordered anyway. Reasonable price considering.
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It's interesting that the Cafť is riddled with posts where regulars are quick to jump on anyone who remotely has a whiff of plagiarism.
Yet ... those same people can easily justify supporting "named" magicians if it suits them. Double standards.

If this is similar to Gypsy Queen in method, and it looks like it is, then appropriate crediting etc and/or permissions would be okay. Cameron raise a good point above too.

It's also interesting that the WPR regularly chastise creators for there "edited adverts" and not showing full performance etc and yet here we have a heavily edited advert that doesn't show a full performance.

For the record, I actually quite like the idea of a full deck of 52 on 1 cards being used in this way. I have been using Gypsy Queen since it was released and I could see me using this too.
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For the working Pro these should be handed out as souvenirs really. Too expensive for a mere hobbyist though. Perhaps David might consider refill packs at a reduced price??
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The spectator holds a card. Within that card, a thought of selection is revealed.
You literally make the revelation using the exact same location and switching technique.
What is so different, please explain?
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It's interesting that the Cafť is riddled with posts where regulars are quick to jump on anyone who remotely has a whiff of plagiarism.
Yet ... those same people can easily justify supporting "named" magicians if it suits them. Double standards.

If this is similar to Gypsy Queen in method, and it looks like it is, then appropriate crediting etc and/or permissions would be okay. Cameron raise a good point above too.

It's also interesting that the WPR regularly chastise creators for there "edited adverts" and not showing full performance etc and yet here we have a heavily edited advert that doesn't show a full performance.

For the record, I actually quite like the idea of a full deck of 52 on 1 cards being used in this way. I have been using Gypsy Queen since it was released and I could see me using this too.


I certainly see the value of having multiple versions of the same basic effect.
I also see the value of adding something to the plot or method if youíre going to release a variant of an established, successful previous release. It would be nice to challenge creators to move the ball forward if they are going to largely copy an existing effect.
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Donít all effects of this ilk have their origins in Paul Curryís Touch? IĎm not sure I understand what the contention is. Gypsy Queen and this trick use the same principle of Touch, if not exactly the same routining, (Touch relies on an extra card for a clean reveal of the prediction) and they are aesthetically different from that effect and each other. Iím not trying to start anything, I am genuinely curious as to why thereís any issue at all.


Iím not familiar with Touch enough but my guess is that Gypsy Queen at least added a few elements to make the effect easier to perform. Your point definitely stands though.
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It's also interesting that the WPR regularly chastise creators for there "edited adverts" and not showing full performance etc and yet here we have a heavily edited advert that doesn't show a full performance.

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Iím not saying they donít .... but itís not really the adverts they go on about.... WPR have banged on about no full performances in the tuition...... I think itís more on here that ppl demand a full unedited performance in the ad. Maybe WPR donít mention it as much as they have often edited out the dirty work on their ads. If they have mentioned it in regards to ads that may have been for effects that were super misleading rather than just taking something out to not reveal (on video) the method.

I just think your point may misrepresent what they have been banging on about... which is about products that have no full performances on their downloaded tutorials

Though I remember the days when they would complain when products came with no DVD and just downloadable content.... hmm
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Just ordered this off penguin. Looking forward to checking it out. Iíll review soon.
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Don't think this will be for me
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Iíd love to know how you 1) locate the required gaff card and 2) how you exchange that card with the standard 52 on 1 card? An uncut demo wouldíve been nice.
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First (I guess) a d...k sw...ch, then (if memorized, whichever order, better then mar...gs as you can do it more "blind"), cut, glimpse and adjust... and then a top ch...ge. Easy if you are an experienced card handler Smile Jan
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Canít be a deck switch involved Jan as thereís only one deck.
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At least so it would seem
If there is no deck switch . Then I will be down for one
As I do like the idea of this
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I'm not aware of all the effects that might be similar to this. I think I know exactly how this is done, and I do think it is a great trick. However, I'm also thinking that I could use a regular deck with a single 52-1 card, perform the trick the exact same way I suspect this trick is done and it too would be a great trick, but I don't need to carry an extra deck. No?
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Sure it's one deck for the Kicker part, the bit they are selling. Obviously you would also need an ID. Thought that much was obvious. If it's all with one deck, then biddle me sideways, I'll have one.

//Dan
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On Feb 15, 2020, dyoung wrote:
Sure it's one deck for the Kicker part, the bit they are selling. Obviously you would also need an ID. Thought that much was obvious. If it's all with one deck, then biddle me sideways, I'll have one.

//Dan


Obviously you do not. Itís also a stand-alone effect. That way that Iíll use it.
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This looks great. I always like the ID around anyhow for if something goes awry, it cleans it up as if it were meant to happen. Lucky not to often but has cleaned up an uncomfortable mishap. Gonna now use the ID as a leadin again. Can't wait to have this followup. It's funny how all you have to do is mention the ID addition and my interest is peaked. I even like to throw the ID into an extra ending to a routine I use with the insight deck. My thought is the same as Pegusus in that I would love to know the exchange here and how clean it is. Excited to see. Will know in a couple of days.
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