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On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know.


I've now received Catch and I'm inclined to agree the gimmick is a bit on the bulky side. It could be thinner. One needs to be mindful of hand/arm positioning to ensure the coin is not inadvertently released.

I also feel a wide watch strap helps to better conceal the gimmick. My own regular black watch strap only covers about 70 per cent of the gimmick. While careful handling should reduce any flashes, I'm considering trying a wider strap and bigger watch to better conceal the gimmick.
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CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it,
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CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it,


You make a fair point, The Baldini. It's more a conscious issue at this point and I have not had it long enough to forget it's there. You're right. The video tutorial does say the width of the band is not an issue.

As for a thinner gimmick not lasting and cracking, I wonder whether this is dependent on the construction material. That said, something metallic would presumably create a sound issue
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Just got it and have to agree that It is a tad big in the sense that it isn't really that well hidden under a watch. Can't see how the device could go any smaller though. But a wider strap would definitely be recommended.

If using a stainless steel/metal strap...they recommend going a link or two looser. And on a leather type band, a notch or two looser. my pilot watch has a 21mm width which is a bit on the thinner side. So not the best as about a third of the device sticks out.

Anyway, take this for what it is as Ive only messed with it a few times just to try it...but it seems extremely knacky as the coin has to "catch" the device at the perfect angle...or risk dropping. Again, just a first impression as I haven't had the chance to put in the proper practice with it.

I truly hope that this will be something you can do with 100% confidence with enough time put in. My worry is that due to its knacky nature, even with a bunch of practice, it may not hit every time.

We'll see.
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On May 30, 2021, Lonnie_Lyerla wrote:
I was wondering why this looked so familiar. I actually release a version of this vanish through the magic estate in 2014. Coin through nose with Tyler. ( not a plug ) Joshua jay also has something from penguin way back with ďcornerĒ I believe. ( also uncredited ) The gimmick for Catch is too bulky for my liking. Thatís probably because Iím use to a much thinner gimmick ( that I created back in 2010 ) As for the restrictions on the Catch gimmick. The mouth is too wide IMO. Causing the coin to fall out when putting your arm down in a normal position. There is absolutely a way to prevent this from happening and you can move your arm freely without fear of the coin falling out also retrieving it at any time. I know. I know. My post may come off as a bit bias. It is. Because Iíve been performing this vanish for over 10 years and I have a lot of pride and experience with this Specific style of vanish.
The gimmick itself is pretty cool but, just prefer to have more control. Which is why Iím sticking to what Iíve been using.

Marcus Eddie has my upmost respect. The man has created so many necessary effects and added a great wealth of knowledge to our community. He also has the greatest smile 😊 in the magic industry.

Just my 2 cents


No, not sounding biased at all. Thank You for the input, great info! Smile
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On May 30, 2021, The Baldini wrote:
CoinBoy101, as it is clearly shown on the instructional video, the width of the band is not an issue, and if it was any thinner it would not last, it would crack. After you play with it for a little bit, you wonít remember itís there until you need it,


You make a fair point, The Baldini. It's more a conscious issue at this point and I have not had it long enough to forget it's there. You're right. The video tutorial does say the width of the band is not an issue.

As for a thinner gimmick not lasting and cracking, I wonder whether this is dependent on the construction material. That said, something metallic would presumably create a sound issue



It is very much dependent on the material being used to create the gimmick. Without giving away too much, some gimmicks are made more flexible than others and can be ďfittedĒ to a performers preference. 😉
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Lonnieís version sounds the best to me ie custom made as very rarely does one size fit all Gaz 😊
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I was lucky enough to pick this one up right away before they sold out. Let me tell you, although I'm new here I am not new to magic and this is one great tool! Yes, you need a watch or band of some kind, I personally don't see how a bunch of rubberbands would work but if you can make it happen, that's awesome. You WILL have to practice since it's all about "feel" and that's all I can really say. You also need to trust the gimmick to do it's job. I get a bit nervous that it won't and that is when the quarter goes on it's own little adventure across the floor. I find when I trust the gimmick (and myself) the one handed vanish is pretty easy.

Well worth it for the number of vanishes you can achieve and the variety of ways you can achieve them.

The video is well done and no more or less than it needs to be.

Just wanted to give you my opinion on this as a n00b to the forum - I think you will like it if you put in the practice.
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So glad to hear Jaycee! Mineís on the way and I was getting discouraged by some of the comments.
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I haven't been this excited to receive a gimmick in years. Catch is exactly the kind of knacky thing I love. Unfortunately I'm sad to report I don't think this gimmick is practical or even usable and will likely get returned to Vanishing Inc. For those who don't know me, I love challenging sleights, especially with coins. I've mastered the muscle pass with quarters, halves and Morgans. I created one of the trickiest sleights imaginable- the tumbling muscle click pass - until I could do it in my sleep. I put out a double dvd called Catapult which is a deep dive into challenging sleeving techniques. I only mention all this to boast about my accomplishments. But I suppose I also mention it to let you know that with all of this history and passion for coin magic, I can't imagine Catch can done with any degree of consistency. Perhaps it's an anatomical thing and my hands/wrists just aren't shaped for this. Or perhaps using it with a watch (not just strapped onto wrist with a rubber band) could make a difference by 'trapping' the coin. But this gimmick doesn't seem to do the job. I personally would have created a bit of a "ramp" and made it wider/thicker (as in the width/thickness of a coin). I CAN get it to work on a lucky rep, but as of now the coin generally flies right over the top of it.

I'll give this a good week before making a final decision but I generally know when something just needs practice versus being truly non-functional. All signs point to the latter. Disappointing. Would have loved to love this. Curious to hear about others experiences with this.
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So glad to hear Jaycee! Mineís on the way and I was getting discouraged by some of the comments.


I guess there's lots of opinions on this. Some people appear to have been hoping for more, I suspect. To me, the genius is in the simplicity. Is it bulky? Not really because it could not be thinner and reliably "catch" the coin. Others will disagree, but for me it's a great buy and will definitely be going into my walk around routine.

The angles are what they are...no getting away from it. Audience management will be important as will choosing where and when to perform.

I don't have the amazing dexterity that many coin guys do and perhaps that's why I have an easier time with it than some of the more accomplished folks here. I am as basic as can be....that might be an advantage with the device. Less to "unlearn"? Not sure....

As a side note, the coin to pocket working is terrific and will definitely get some good reactions.

It's passed the "wife test" which for me is not a walk in the park...what better test is there?
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Hello Jay. Welcome to the Cafť comment section my friend. Glad to have you. You are absolutely right about something. When you said ď others will disagree ď. Because I definitely do. All due respect, your comment about not being able to be thinner is VERY inaccurate. As I personally have already achieved this and solved some of the control issues Catch has. You could probably swing your loaded Arm in any motion you wanted and still not have the coin come out until you wanted it. ( kind of like coin on demand )

I of all people respect this idea and Method more than most. Iíd also say that Iím kind of an advanced handler when it comes to the motion involved and the original gimmick. 😂 (I laughed when I wrote that btw)
I can assure you that there will be difference of opinions. Which is great actually. What works for some may not work for others. What I would have liked to see was Vanishing Inc to include in the trailer, or even the original tutorial, an actual live performances of the vanish or ANY of the quick routines that were advertised. I know first hand that this style of vanish is impressive when you know how to use it.

Here are a few of the ways Iíve been using my version of the handling/gimmick over the last 10 years. ( now itís a shameless plug I guess )
Can be used for predictions. ( really clever )
Single handed coin switches. ( very visual )
Coin productions.
Which hand routine ( also clever )
Coin in impossible location.
GEEK magic ( gross but impressive )
Coin through pocket ( full routine )
Believe it or not, The list goes on. Maybe Iíll share video to get the imagination going of the possibilities with type of vanish.

There really is a ton of possibilities with this style of motion vanish.
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Unfortunately Lonnie it's on a DVD, if you ever release it as a download I'd buy it in a New York minute just for the vanish, not fussed about the coin from nose routine. I don't have a DVD player anymore and my laptop doesn't either. Plus the time and expense of posting a DVD is just not worth it with the international postage service since covid. Lonnie, release your vanish as a download Pleassssse.

I bought Catch for a switch and it works great, hits every time when you figure the right way to do it. The problem is it's very subtle so easily missed even though he does mention the exact technique on the download it's something easily brushed over. I'm not a small guy and wear a G-Shock world time wrist watch so it hides the gimmick well.

At first the coin jumped over or across and missed and I thought "back of the draw". Then I slowly went back over the download and the penny dropped so to speak and I got the right technique down. Now I catch it each time

Whether it's something I'll keep using only time will tell, but for now I'm hopeful it is going to help me tremendously with a particular routine (which is not mentioned as an application on the Catch download)
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Hello Jay. Welcome to the Cafť comment section my friend. Glad to have you. You are absolutely right about something. When you said ď others will disagree ď. Because I definitely do. All due respect, your comment about not being able to be thinner is VERY inaccurate. As I personally have already achieved this and solved some of the control issues Catch has. You could probably swing your loaded Arm in any motion you wanted and still not have the coin come out until you wanted it. ( kind of like coin on demand )

I of all people respect this idea and Method more than most. Iíd also say that Iím kind of an advanced handler when it comes to the motion involved and the original gimmick. 😂 (I laughed when I wrote that btw)
I can assure you that there will be difference of opinions. Which is great actually. What works for some may not work for others. What I would have liked to see was Vanishing Inc to include in the trailer, or even the original tutorial, an actual live performances of the vanish or ANY of the quick routines that were advertised. I know first hand that this style of vanish is impressive when you know how to use it.

Here are a few of the ways Iíve been using my version of the handling/gimmick over the last 10 years. ( now itís a shameless plug I guess )


Can be used for predictions. ( really clever )
Single handed coin switches. ( very visual )
Coin productions.
Which hand routine ( also clever )
Coin in impossible location.
GEEK magic ( gross but impressive )
Coin through pocket ( full routine )
Believe it or not, The list goes on. Maybe Iíll share video to get the imagination going of the possibilities with type of vanish.

There really is a ton of possibilities with this style of motion vanish.


Thanks, for the feedback, Lonnie. You can write -off my comment about it being "thinner" due to lack of knowledge about alternatives out there, including your method. I second the request for a download-release and would certainly be in the queue for a purchase.

I also agree about the "live" performances portion - that is the part I would prefer to get some tips on (and see) vs real-world "experimenting". Right now, I am tempted to be on the more extreme side and only perform this under perfect conditions/angles vs. going to far off-script.

Thanks again for the feedback - very helpful! Just a quick side-note: I checked out your profile to see if you had a link to your products or website and hit the FB link...it appears to be a "broken" link....just fyi.
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It kind of feels like Iím bashing this product and honestly Iím not. I just have a personal issue with a certain aspect of the way this product was advertised and Iím currently trying to get that settled with Vanishing Inc. I also donít want to give off the impression that Iím trying to high jack this Thread and influence others to purchase something I released a handful of years ago. In fact, Iíd recommend that no one buy my release from the magic estate because thereís something in the works as of right now that is IMO superior to anything on currently on the market. My only goal with this thread is to add clarity on specific things while adding additional contributions to whatís possible with this style of vanish.

Iíd also like to point out that thereís an easier way to practice this motion vanish. Just wear a long sleeve shirt. Youíll ultimately end up eliminating picking the coin up from the floor a million times and itíll add confidence allowing you to get use to the hand eye coordination thatís required to perform this consistently.

P.S.There will definitely be a download @ takeachance 😉
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No worries, Lonnie. I don't get that impression at all, nor do I think you're hijacking the thread. The input is helpful...for me, anyway....cheers
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Most of the vanishes are too knacky for me, misses too often to be comfortable doing it in the real world

However, the Flicker vanish which is the first vanish shown on the trailer and requires a set up works every time and will be my to go effect with this item
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[...] In fact, Iíd recommend that no one buy my release from the magic estate because thereís something in the works as of right now that is IMO superior to anything on currently on the market. [...]

Well I can't wait Smile would you be able to say whether what you refer to here will work with dollar-size coins?
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This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me.
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This is the first magic item I've ever returned in my life. Buyer beware. If anybody can do this sure-fire I'd love to see it, because I don't believe it can be done. The ultimate test would be a FB live video but pre-recorded video of someone, anyone performing this 10 or more times in a row would convince me.




Hey Platt, Iíve been meaning to reply to this. Sorry for the late reply. I can do this 50 times in a row as Iíve got over a decade of personal experience with this motion vanish. Iíll try and get a video up for you for your request of at least 10 times In a row. Unfortunately I will not be using the CATCH gimmick in the video because I feel my version not only predates it, but is all round better........for me. But I will absolutely be more than happy to get you a video ASAP and post it here. Or if youíd prefer, I could reach out to you in FB or email and show you. 😊 which ever one works for you my friend.
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