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Dannydoyle
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Actually Laurie no. HIS music was written by others. Tell me again how it came ferrin HIS heart and his music was HIM.

He was a performer and took others music to heights usually that they did not. But it is simply wrong to claim it came from his heart. He was not a songwriter or composer.

Sorry for insisting the truth be sprinkled into this conversation. It is just possible you wear blinders. We all have personal blind spots. I guess I should say I have them as I can't speak for all.
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Danny I don’t think she said he wrote the songs. True Elvis didn’t write his own songs, but I agree with her that he did sing from the heart. That has nothing to do with who wrote it. Relating to the words is key, that’s how he owned it. He understood the song well enough that everybody thought he had written it. The songs fit.

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Nice spin. Totally untrue. She called it HIS music. It wasn't. It was others music. He PERFORMED others music. I don't care where he sang from.

NOBODY thought he wrote My Way out Bridge Over Troubled Water.

Just stop with silly excuses. The truth is so much easier.
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LOL. Owning a song simply means it fits you perfectly.

Danny you don’t have a clue.

We get you hate Elvis and this whole topic, so why can’t you just move on and stop the nonsense.


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Putting words in my mouth didn't work.

You can move on, just stop posting. But you CAN'T DO THAT. You just can't help yourself you have to get the last word.

Please tell us about you vast experience in the music scene Tom. Go on make up something really quick.
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Elvis was... and before him there were bobby-soxers swooning over a young Frank Sinatra.

Let's agree that Elvis learned from his dress rehearsal. Feedback is useful for those who can and choose to learn. What of it?
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I agree Jonathan, Elvis learned from his dress rehearsals.

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On Feb 25, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
I ask about experience when I have these "food for thought" discussions. It matters. You can't just imagine it into existence, it has to happen and there is NO substitute.
Agreed Danny. Smile
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WONDERFUL. Elvis learned from his dress rehearsal. Though this wasn't the point of the OP now was it? So nobody has to scroll back to page one here it is cut and pasted.

" How many do a dress rehearsal these days? It's a very important and helpful part of the process and journey to performance. Videos welcome of either and/or. Smile

I'd like to start with an illustration from Elvis Presley's Aloha Concert, "final performance" of which was broadcast live worldwide in 1973. He filmed a dress rehearsal concert which is also known as the Alternate Aloha Concert. See the step up from the dress rehearsal to the live broadcast. That step up (raising stakes) was something I was keenly aware of when we went from dress rehearsal to performance when I studied Theatre Arts in College. I think Dress Rehearsal is something that many performers might skip these days, and it shows. Here's Elvis:

The arrogant presumption is that "I think Dress Rehearsal is something that many performers might skip these days, and it shows."

When asked the very simple question as to whom she is speaking of there is deafening silence. When asked what could have been gleaned from this process we get more fangirl Elvis links and Tom jumping in with nothing to add. And then get told how much conversation is welcome.

Now it just degrades into Elvis mania. Fine no problem but don't disguise it as "food for thought" for it is not even close. It is pontification and nothing more.
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There's an apology at the bottom of page 1 for the arrogant presumption, Danny.
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On Feb 25, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Laurie. I think you are adding a tone to my post that I did not intend and for my part in that let me extend an apology. I do not always take the care I should when posting, I just sort of post it thinking people get what I am thinking. Again I am sorry and please allow me to try to reset this to take the heat out as this is a cool topic. Fair enough?

I am one who believes a person's point of view is informed by their experience. Without a point of view just having an opinion is not really that big of a deal to me. I have many opinions about my medical care, but all of them pale in comparison to a trained medical professional, and then those are on a sliding scale according to their own experience. So experience REALLY matters. It does not necessarily mean anyone has to be "wrong" just because they lack experience, but it does come into play when trying to see a person's viewpoint.

Certainly in an artistic setting such as a performance experience should matter shouldn't it? I mean if you are out there every night working at it for 30 years that simply MUST mean something right? Along those lines I just did a dress rehearsal for an Off Broadway show yesterday and the sound and light crew was AMAZING. They brought THEIR ART to the process! For I believe what each does to bring a show to life is art in and of itself. Every discipline you mentioned above IS an art form and worthy of recognition as is every position.

Understand my view is underpinned simply by experience. 30 years of out there doing it for the public is the viewpoint. When you speak of the "fine tuning" Elvis did that was in my view exactly what I was talking about. "We learn our craft from each other, and our art from our audience". Giving away that cape in the show, all the refinements made are them learning the ART. To me this is the difference that comes forth when a thing is done at a high level so many times! It is the beauty of experience. It is why it can NOT be overlooked and should be considered. It is why I ask about experience when I have these "food for thought" discussions. It matters. You can't just imagine it into existence, it has to happen and there is NO substitute. If it came off as dismissive please allow me to apologize once more. It is not meant to be.


There was also THIS apology that you chose to ignore also.
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Look closer.
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Here's an example from my own repertoire.

I rehearsed this in full dress for a while leading up to this performance. I walked to the venue, so was well warmed up, though early, upon arrival.

Somewhere in there before showtime, someone asked me if I wanted to test the chair I'd be using, but I declined, which was a mistake, since the chair height in relation to the fixed Mic height affects the angle of the guitar fretboard.

When the angle of the fretboard is unfamiliar, the grip may shift to inaccurate finger placement (for me, usually too high on the fretboard), resulting in missing the chord. Looking at the fretboard to correct or ensure correct placement turns face away from the Mic.

30 years of performance could iron that out, but I learned this song a year ago, I think it was. (I'd heard it before but only discovered its name and chords & lyric variations- which I adjusted Smile - last year)

So, the second song here was affected by an unnecessary lack of preparation, fwiw.

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I would definitely stipulate that for most live performances... the less you work, the more important the "Dress Rehearsal" could be.
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On Apr 29, 2020, Ray Pierce wrote:
I would definitely stipulate that for most live performances... the less you work, the more important the "Dress Rehearsal" could be.


Absolutely.
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I would definitely stipulate that for most live performances... the less you work, the more important the "Dress Rehearsal" could be.


Agreed.

Also, I've noticed that after a while, the simple fact of dressing up would put me "in the zone" and made it easier to recall my text, my moves, etc. Almost like a pavlovian thing. At the end of of the show, I would keep my suit on for as long as needed (meeting clients, writing feedbacks, etc.). I don't know how much of psychology it involves or if I'm just making stuff up for myself, but I noted something had changed!
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On Feb 24, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:

your experience might lean more towards community theater than to professional touring.


Actually, the high school and college work was "professionally oriented educational theatre". (p.7 Theatrical Design and Production Fifth Edition J. Michael Gillette. McGraw-Hill 2005.)
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Most schools try and prepare you for professional work in any major you choose. Most theater programs tends to be the furthest from reality in my past experience. I have frequently lectured for HS and college students on "reality vs theory" to give them a true idea of what really goes on in the real world. Yes, there are exceptions. Many schools in the LA area turn out people with practical experience and real world expectations based on the caliber of instructors with a LOT of working production experience.

In my experience, when we're loading in for an "It's Magic" show as an example, the ONLY ones who might possibly be in some part of a costume are those that have some technical hook up that needs checking or calibrating for lighting purposes or needs to be spiked for the show. They might put on the coat or possibly a vest to check the line up but that's very rare. We usually set spike marks for everything, mark entrances and exits if needed and check any critical lighting cues involving BA or things like that. We just want to do what is necessary to make sure the local crew knows what is needed. We might mark a number for lighting or for timing if there is something like a run around or something time dependent but that's usually it. We do this every day, we don't want to do it again for no reason. We want to be as efficient as possible and get back to the dressing room to set props or to the green room where the food is.

On our larger non magic touring shows, the only thing we might do is a mic check for any vocals. That's it. As Production Stage Manager, I'll make sure I walk our host and dancers through any tricky entrances or exits at that particular venue at some point during the day. We'll make sure the acts that fly know their take off spike marks. Any other details and notes I'll just talk through at 1/2 hour. We have a great team of ASM's that manage everything else and make sure the talent gets on and off safely.

Again, television is totally different as you are doing it for cameras and the director to understand how they want to shoot everything and manage the camera moves which is not a small thing. It is not usually for you to rehearse. By the time you get there you need to have your part down.

Commercials are totally different. You are typically assembling everything together in real time. You'll set lights and camera with stand ins then the talent comes in and you start playing. You might run it once before you shoot but usually in the time of digital media the rule is... "Shoot everything. Memory is cheap." Time is precious, you just need one good take to move on.
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Yea Ray I have found that often, not always, the difference in theory and practice is the difference in lightening and the lightening bug.

Through sheer repetition you learn things they simply don't write in books. It is a different world touring for decades and an education with a professional orientation no matter how good that education is. This is not a knock at the education, just a fact of life.
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