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In the beginning of the Steve Forte's book(page 12), Steve clarifies that there is a difference between learning execution vs learning application of the moves, and that the book GSOH is only about execution. So, are there any books or other sources to learn more about applications? Please suggest. Thanks!
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Steve Forte's Poker Protection
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Or just watch the original games protection series
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On Mar 25, 2020, shakuni wrote:
In the beginning of the Steve Forte's book(page 12), Steve clarifies that there is a difference between learning execution vs learning application of the moves, and that the book GSOH is only about execution. So, are there any books or other sources to learn more about applications? Please suggest. Thanks!


Application is a huge field and goes far beyond execution. For doing demos or posing as a gambling expert to "amaze" your audience with dazzling demonstrations of skill, execution is all one needs, perhaps with good window dressing for entertainment value.

I don't know of any good books on application. I don't think there are any. The reason being this is something one learns by experience under fire. It basically incorporates "grift" sense which you cannot acquire by reading books. Sure you can read stories on how this play or that play was put together, but that is not the same as having the experience yourself. Without the experience (which is that "big" something extra) you don't really know in the deepest and truest sense how to successfully apply these moves or ploys under challenging conditions. Probably most demonstrators think they know how to put it all together, but without the experience under fire they really don't. Too many things can occur, and do occur, and with out seeing if something works or not, and under what situations and conditions, you have to use it "for real." Indeed, many demonstrators, or lobbyists or magicians have never even gambled at all and/or certainly not under challenging conditions against astute players.

However, the good news is to be a demonstrator or pose as a gambling expert with dazzling demonstration of skill, execution is all one needs, perhaps with an entertaining or plausible presentation.
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As Steve Forte says “It’s all about the circumstances.”
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I hope you get better answers here Smile . Some people here know what they are talking about regarding this
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Yes many here have a lot of experience with applications and couple even got as far as an interview.
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It is popular for demonstrators to deal a round of poker hands and get 4 aces. I played poker several times a week for 25 years in thousands of games all over the us and cheating occurred is those games but I did not once see a 4 ace hand.
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It is popular for demonstrators to deal a round of poker hands and get 4 aces. I played poker several times a week for 25 years in thousands of games all over the us and cheating occurred is those games but I did not once see a 4 ace hand.


You will probably see that more often now that Forte's new book is out.

I'll go you one better than that. I have heard, but it is unsubstantiated, that tommy likes to deal himself a royal flush at least three time every time he plays poker. However, because of his disarming personality and great skill in using the Erdnase overhand shuffle run up, no one ever suspects him of doing anything. They just think he is lucky. He calls this move tommy's Birmingham Bomb.

I know because he keeps beating me with that move. Smile
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Four aces for the win is seen more often in games featuring community cards. Hold'Em and the like.

Not commonplace to be sure ... but it happens often enough.
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I am sure it has happened I just have not seen it myself. I did see a lady hit a royal flush on a poker slot machine and feed her winnings back.
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Sorry mate, but Birmingham Bomb isn't funny.

Lots of people died.
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Are you looking for applications for gambling or magic?
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Sorry mate, but Birmingham Bomb isn't funny.

Lots of people died.


What are you talking about??? and if this is your first post on this forum, you are off to a great start.
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The Birmingham pub IRA bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others. I helped clear up the mess actually.
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The Birmingham pub IRA bombings were carried out on 21 November 1974, when bombs exploded in two public houses in Birmingham, England, killing 21 people and injuring 182 others. I helped clear up the mess actually.


Thanks for the clarification tommy. Certainly a tragic event but it is inconceivable that a looky-loo like MothMan would relate it to my post above.

I am supposed to be insensitive for using terminology in a different context about an even I had no knowledge of that happen 46 years ago in a foreign country to me?

Why would MothMan, on the only post he has ever made on this BB, relate my post above to a 46 year old event that had nothing to do with that tragedy?

A lot of people on this BB were not even born back then.

What kind of mind would make that relationship? SICK!!! VERY SICK!
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English people get right uppity about the IRA, for some reason.
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Mechanics are mainly applied to self dealt side games here, like Kalooki, Gin and so on. Poker players are playing a silly side game now called Crash but for pretty good money.
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On Mar 28, 2020, tommy wrote:

Poker players are playing a silly side game now called Crash but for pretty good money.


The games evolve over time and the players come up with new ideas to make them more exciting with quicker outcomes. For example, cash Hold'em can be pretty slow and boring at times, especially for tight players who want to only enter the pot with strong hands or hands with exceptional potential. Of course at higher level tough games that won't work for too long as the better players will figure out such obvious play. So you might find players deciding to play short card poker or change the ante or blind structure or add crazy rule changes in such a way as to force all players to play more often, speeding up the game and making the game more interesting...and perhaps more of a gamble.

I for one favor that approach, within reason of course.
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They are playing Crash on aeroplanes, as they fly to and from the big competitions, on what they call the circuit. Mind you they are all grounded at the moment.
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