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Dannydoyle
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Hoboken has a 10PM curfew. I guess this is because the virus is strong at night?

Some of this stuff seems very over the top to me. But since I am not an infectious disease expert all I can do is wait.
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On Mar 6, 2020, Vandecarr wrote:
People are over reacting so badly.

There are currently 331,000,000 people in the United States

Also in the United States there are possibly 250 with the corona virus

And finally 14 people have died in the United States from the coronavirus... 14 out of 331,000,000


They had similar small numbers in Italy. Each infected person can infect 2 or 3 more even before they show any symptoms.
That is why it is important for everyone to observe hand hygiene. Catch any sneezes and bin them then wash your hands.
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Washington state just announced closing of all restaurants, bars, and entertainment venues. Restaurants may offer carry-out and delivery, but no seated service. Gatherings larger than 50 people are forbidden.

Have heard other states announcing similar restrictions


Yeah, and there goes our yearly Portland Magic Jam ....pooof
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Add NY to the list...https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/nyregion/coronavirus-new-york-update.html
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This all has a strange panic feel to it. 69 have died here as of this post. 6,500 or so world wide.

I am not an infectious disease expert by ANY means and have NO CLUE obviously how this stuff works. It just seems like a lot of reaction to me. A poor job is being done to help dumb people like me understand.
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From my limited understanding, there's three concerns driving the lockdowns.
1. While overall mortality rate isn't as high as something as Ebola, it does have a significantly higher mortality rate than the flu. And there's higher mortality rates in certain demographics, such as elderly.
2. People can be infected, an contagious, for up to 5 days before exhibiting symptoms. Social distancing will help mitigate that aspect.
3. While 80% of people with COVID-19 recover without medical intervention: but those that do need help can overwhelm medical facilities. Hospitals have limited Protective Gear and ventilators needed. Also COVID patient must be in isolation rooms, which are limited. And when in isolation, it increases caregiver workload (take extra time for doctors and nurses to put gear on, off, and clean up). Best analogy I've heard for this is "Remember when everyone ran to the grocery store at once to stock up instead of shopping for regular amounts at staggered intervals? Now imagine that happening at your hospitals!"

These drastic actions will hopefully shorten all of this....
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On Mar 16, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
This all has a strange panic feel to it. 69 have died here as of this post. 6,500 or so world wide.

I am not an infectious disease expert by ANY means and have NO CLUE obviously how this stuff works. It just seems like a lot of reaction to me. A poor job is being done to help dumb people like me understand.


I agree. Starbucks has taken all chairs away... you can�t sit in a Starbucks! (At least the one I went to today, they said it was nation wide).

All broadway shows. All Disney parks and resorts. All Vegas casinos. To shut the entire economy down seems like a scary move but like you I�m not a disease expert so I can�t say if it�s over reacting or not.
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The problem is that if these measures are successful, it will seem like they over reacted.

If they do not go far enough, it will seem like they under reacted.

And under reacting will mean a lot of deaths that could have been avoided. And, because of our healthcare system, a lot of people going bankrupt.
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Stop and Shop has early hours for 60 plus age group.

I am under marshal law in Hoboken. 10 PN curfew. No joke.
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Now they tell me...I just paid my taxes last week!
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Every day more and more people hurting. It's beyond entertainment now. I still think it will bounce back but this all depends on how much longer this disaster will last. In the USA, everything but the kitchen sink has been thrown at the economy and none has worked. The financials of this is and will be much worse then the health issues. A long recovery vs a medium one? That is the million dollar question.

I was issued a N95 mask today. One per person only. I was not born at the time but this reminds me of the old post WW II commercials seen on U tube. Duck and cover except this is an unseen enemy. Almost a creepy blackout.

As of this post, only 152000 have been tested out of 327 million in America. Its the uncertainty driving all this. Nevada now in lockdown.


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0.000019 % of the US infected!!
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0.000019 % of the US infected!!


AHHHHHH NOOOOOOO!

Joking aside it seems like an overreaction. But I'm certainly not qualified to make that a statement of fact.
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My thought is that it is going tti start to level off in the next few days. Just grin what I've heard from different industries.

I could be WAY off on this and do not put it forth as statement of fact.
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As of this post, only 152000 have been tested out of 327 million in America. Its the uncertainty driving all this. Nevada now in lockdown.

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I think testing is important but maybe I'm missing something. The test is only good for that day. What happens if I get tested today and two days from now I get the disease. Are the testing results really telling us anything? I think maybe we should disregard how many are tested and concentrate on how many are actually infected.
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I think testing is important but maybe I'm missing something. The test is only good for that day. What happens if I get tested today and two days from now I get the disease. Are the testing results really telling us anything? I think maybe we should disregard how many are tested and concentrate on how many are actually infected.



I agree Dave. Testing is only good for that day. You can walk out of there and get it on your way home.

Besides, if you are tested positive there is no cure yet. But most people can get over it on their own, just like you would if it were a cold.


For now, we need to save the tests for the old people like me. LOL

Seriously, I do feel for all those out of work, but I�m afraid it will get worse before it gets any better. It's changing each day.

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Some might find this video helpful, in understanding what's going on.

I saw it on the PBS page on Facebook, but here is a YouTube link.



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On Mar 18, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
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On Mar 18, 2020, John Martin wrote:
0.000019 % of the US infected!!


AHHHHHH NOOOOOOO!

Joking aside it seems like an overreaction. But I'm certainly not qualified to make that a statement of fact.


Danny, early in the thread you mentioned "only 69" infected, and several times you've dismissed the number of cases as negligible.

I'd agree with you. 69 is negligible.
But that was "reported cases."
How many of the 350 million Americans have been tested?

Donald Dunphy cited this 6,495-word article https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavir......d9cd99ca

Here is a two-sentence summary that answers your earlier question about why the world is turning upside down:

1. 69 "reported cases" means there are WAY MORE than 69 infected.
2. In the countries we've seen with the virus, the infected number has grown exponentially.

The numbers of cases you hear about, whatever that number is, multiply it by 100 (at least).
Once testing becomes more prevalent, the "reported cases" number will more accurately reflect reality.

I'm sure others have thought of it too, but here's my idea...
More than "the 3%" will die.
The uninfected deaths will outnumber the infected deaths because of the overburdened hospitals/nurses/doctors.

Cheers everybody and have a magical 2020! =)
Dannydoyle
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But the more who get it AND RECOVER with no hospital skews the projection drastically. Wouldn't you agree? The more testing will show WAY more cases and when that number comes in I think some panic will subsidie a bit. Right now it the unknown everyone is running from.

It just seems as if the logic is to stay away from hospitals because so many people are sick and die there. (Prior to this.)

And your 3% figure is way high because of what I mentioned.

For perspective 60,000,000 were infected with Swine Flu. 16,000 died in 10 months IN AMERICA for both those numbers.

It seems as if ther RO is lower for this than Swine Flu. I'm confused and nobody is clearing it up.

BUT I agree 100% with following protocols and guidelines in place! My lack of understanding does not need to be dangerous. I don't understand a 10 PM curfew, but I don't go out.

I'm NOT arguing against. In just showing some of the things they do such a poor job of explaining.

I also have no conspiracy theories.

I also enjoy the waxy everyone is suddenly an infectious disease expert.
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