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Hi folks,


I'm working on the two tricks in my subject line, and thought it would be rather stunning to go straight from the first trick to the second. The audience has seen in the first trick that the aces' backs are all the same color (red, let's say), so when one does the second trick, the sudden appearance of a blue-backed ace should be quite a shock.


I've never tried packet switches, but I'm wondering if anyone can suggest one that isn't too hard and which would allow me to switch out all the aces from the first trick and switch in all the aces for the first trick. Or, alternatively, to switch just two of the red-backed aces for the corresponding blue-backed ones.


Thanks for any help you can offer!


Bob
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Jean Hugard's "Encyclopedia of Card Magic" - available from Amazon - has a section on switching decks or packets of cards.
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Thanks, Jim. I bought this one recently but haven't looked closely. I'll see what I can find. Giobbi has a section on switches also. Since I've never tried switching, it's hard for me to know just by reading what will work in a given situation.


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Start small. Learn to switch one card for another, then move on to packet switches. You'll be moving up to switching whole card decks before you know it.
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Ah, that sounds like really good advice. And thanks for the encouragement.
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Hi Bob, I always perform Twisting the Aces and then (using the same cards) transition into Dr. Daley's Last Trick. No need to switch anything.

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Hi Mark, thanks. All things being equal, simple is best. I haven't learned Twisting the Aces yet, but I'll keep this in mind for the future.


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I suggest learning Twisting the Aces. It is easier than All the Noncomformists and as Mark says - The Perfect lead in to DDLT. I have done Twisting the Aces followed seamlessly by DDLT for 25 years. Never done one without the other. They are just too perfect together. Plus nothing added nothing to take away, totally examinable before during and after 4 cards and 4 cards only. Soooo much magic in that one "simple" combo. Literally two of the first effects I ever learned.


(To me, it is like "We Will Rock You" and "We Are The Champions" by Queen. Played together so many times you would think they were the same song).
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Thanks, Poof-Daddy. I'm a sucker for colors -- one reason I want to learn All the Nonconformists. But I can't learn every alluring trick all at once anyway, so I'll put Twisting the Aces on my (all too long) list. It makes sense to learn easier tricks before harder ones.


I've never knowingly listened to Queen, but I've been curious about them for a while because one of my favorite bands, St. Etienne, either sings some of their songs or has worked with them or *something*. While we're making 2-song musical playlists, on one of Joni Mitchell's records she sings one of her songs (forget the name, but it has the unforgettable line "breaking like the waves at Malibu"), which leads without a break into someone else's song (can't remember its name either): "My analyst told me/I was right out of my head..." I find it impossible to imagine the two songs sung separately from each other.


I'm feeling Very Proud. I know *so* much more about classical, but I'm *kind of* holding my own with rock here. Smile


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P. S. Does anyone know of other packet tricks, other than Twisting the Aces, that go with DDLT in the hand-in-glove way that Mark and Poof described? I'll probably be kicked off the Café for saying this, but T. the A. has never really grabbed me. (There, I said it!) Of course, T. the A. makes a nice contrast with DDLT; the "other" trick would have to provide contrast with DDLT, too, I'd think -- or an interesting similarity that tied the tricks together.
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For those who might be interested: The Joni Mitchell album is Court and Spark, and the songs are Trouble Child and Twisted.
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Hello Bob, So sorry I got the whole Twisting thing started. My bad! You could try to learn an entire routine with the four Aces...like Henry Christ's Aces. I learned it in "Professional Card Magic" by Cliff Greene. At the end of the routine, the four aces can be used for Dr. Daley's Last Trick. Nothing added, nothing switched. Although, Christ's Aces is more than a packet trick...I believe that the two would go together well. Hope that helps!


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Hi Mark,


That's certainly a possibility; I'm still trying to decide whether I like the Christ Aces trick (more sacrilege, I know). But really, any "Spectator cuts the Aces" kind of trick would lead into Dr. Daley in the same way. Gosh, I wonder if I'm losing my perspective. I still haven't performed much, but I've read a lot, so maybe some tricks that don't seem that interesting to me would really amaze spectators.


Right now I'm working on bringing 2-3 tricks to completion so that I can perform them -- I think that will help me a lot. Dr. Daley is certainly one of them, and Chicago Opener, which we talked about a while ago is another. Of course, with the virus abroad it's hard to find much of an audience...except my kind and long-suffering wife. Smile


Nothing wrong with bringing up Twisting the Aces!


Best Regards,


Bob
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On Jul 11, 2020, Poof-Daddy wrote:
I suggest learning Twisting the Aces. It is easier than All the Noncomformists and as Mark says - The Perfect lead in to DDLT. I have done Twisting the Aces followed seamlessly by DDLT for 25 years. Never done one without the other. They are just too perfect together. Plus nothing added nothing to take away, totally examinable before during and after 4 cards and 4 cards only. Soooo much magic in that one "simple" combo. Literally two of the first effects I ever learned.


(To me, it is like "We Will Rock You" and "We Are The Champions" by Queen. Played together so many times you would think they were the same song).


Bob G,

I fully agree with Poof-Daddy.
TTA is a classic, and for a reason.
It's one of those tricks you absolutely need to know and do well, it is perfectly blends with DDLT and there's no need to bother switching anything.
What's more to desire?

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Hi Mark,


"What's more to desire?"


-- Only that the trick should appeal to me. Otherwise why bother to learn it and perform it?


Bob
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Any more thoughts about my original question? How to switch unobtrusively from four red-backed aces to two blue and two red?


I appreciate Jim's thoughts above, but I wonder if anyone can suggest specific switches that are relatively easy.


Thanks,

Bob
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I'd forgotten -- a friend on the Café suggested using a Himber wallet. I don't have one, but I do have a Z-fold wallet. That would be an easy way to accomplish the switch, but here again I need some advice, this time about scripting or management or something. I could put the red cards away in the wallet and hope that someone asks to see another trick. Or I could interpolate a third trick between DDLT and All the Nonconformists. But then, by the time we got to All the Nonconformists, would people have forgotten the back-color of the aces during Dr. Daley?
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