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David Todd
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I tried a search on the Café , but could find no reference to this trick. I came across it in an old ad in a Genii magazine. The ad was actually a U.F. Grant ad, but Grant was speaking highly of this Richard Himber trick called "Himber's Throw-Out Rope Trick" , which Grant apparently held in such esteem that he asked Himber if he could distribute it.

Anyone ever seen it ? Has Himber's item been incorporated into other rope routines or is it a stand alone trick ? Sounds intriguing.

U.F. Grant writes:

"This guy Himber recently played Columbus and I dropped down to his dressing room. He handed me a piece of rope , then took it back and cut it in four pieces, tied them together and THEN ... without cutting away the knots , or sliding them off , etc. , the knots visibly vanished. The rope was in one piece and he gave it to me to take home ... you too can duplicate this popular 4-piece rope trick with ordinary rope and without switching , and give it out at the finish ... this is one idea that is worth a five spot alone to any rope worker. This , next to Himber's Milk Pitcher , is his greatest effect. So I talked him into letting me advertise it ... All you need are the Himber illustrated instructions at $2.00 Postpaid."

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In the early 1940's, Professor Ted Collins invented and was performing his "Panama Rope Trick". By 1948, he had added his "4 to 1 Rope" to the start of the Panama routine. Both of those tricks sound related to the description of the "Himber Throw-Out Rope Trick." Dating that advertisement would help establish its place in the series and perhaps explain why the Himber trick has apparently disappeared but the Collins' tricks are still widely used.
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On Jun 27, 2020, jimgerrish wrote:
In the early 1940's, Professor Ted Collins invented and was performing his "Panama Rope Trick". By 1948, he had added his "4 to 1 Rope" to the start of the Panama routine. Both of those tricks sound related to the description of the "Himber Throw-Out Rope Trick."

Dating that advertisement would help establish its place in the series and perhaps explain why the Himber trick has apparently disappeared but the Collins' tricks are still widely used.


Sorry, for omitting the date of the advertisement. The U.F. Grant ad for Himber's "Throw-Out Rope Trick" was in Genii December 1943, pg. 157.
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Doing a bit more searching , I find that Himber's Throw-Out Rope Trick was republished in 1960 by the Mack Publishing Company , Cherry Hill, NJ . A used book seller has one for sale on Amazon as of this date (June 27, 20202). I guess buying it would be the easiest way to find out what it is. Still curious to know if anyone else here knows it. The title of the trick was not familiar to me when I ran across that old U.F. Grant ad from 1943.

https://www.amazon.com/Himbers-Throw-Out......BN9MOJ2/

A bit more searching finds a copy for sale on eBay for $9.95 -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HIMBERS-THROW-O......74958044

(of course these links won't be good after some time has passed , but just posting them for reference now)

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The problem with manuscripts is that most if not all magic dealers of the time did not carry them. There was no profit in selling a $2 set of instructions. Only if Grant advertised them in magic magazines of the time, and magicians order them direct.

When I was stationed in Persideo of San Francisco, after Viet Nam, the one magic shop outside the base in San Franciso, I was surprised that they had a folder of Grant instructions, when I was looking for a Grand manuscript.

If you can get Mak Magic to speak to you, they offered years ago, when Jimmy Sr. passed away, and the name changed to Mak Magic, they offered items that were sold under the Grant name. I can't remember if it was book or not, but it was a lot of Grant items. If Grant did sell them, then they may be in that offering from years ago. As I recall the offer was for over a hundred dollars for the lot. It was copies not originals to my knowledge.

Although another guy got the close-up magic when Grant died, and ran the company for several years. Mak Magic got the large props and is still going today.

You do realize you are looking for something that is over 80 years ago. I know I never heard of this manuscript, so it was not around offered in the 1960's and 1970's in their catalogs or advertisements in magic magazines. Although by then they were not advertising in magic magazines much if at all.
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Here's a little more info on the Himber rope trick.

This is from Himber's own ad in Genii October 1943. In that ad he refers to the trick as "Paging Mr. Fetsch". (apparently the name was later changed to "Himber's Throw-Out Rope Trick".) But the description is the same:

"A borrowed rope is cut into four pieces, and then in a split second, without cutting the knots off or sliding them off, the rope is restored again and thrown out into the audience for examination."

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I just realized the Throw Out Rope Trick sound like Chris Philpott's (of 100th Monkey) recently offered rope effect, "The End of My Rope" effect.

Could this be the Throw Out Rope trick?

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9851

He mentioned in Latest and Greatest topic, if anyone knew of an effect like his.

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......rt=100#3
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On Jul 5, 2020, Bill Hegbli wrote:
I just realized the Throw Out Rope Trick sound like Chris Philpott's (of 100th Monkey) recently offered rope effect, "The End of My Rope" effect.

Could this be the Throw Out Rope trick?

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/9851

He mentioned in Latest and Greatest topic, if anyone knew of an effect like his.

https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......rt=100#3



Interesting ... that certainly seems close to the description of the Himber effect. Maybe a case of an effect being re-invented ?

Although I note that in Himber's it says that the cut rope is tied together and then restored to one piece which can be handed out.
Watching the video of Philpott's "The End of My Rope" , the rope isn't tied together before the restore.

Doing a little more searching I found that the duo act David & Leeman performed Philpott's "The End of My Rope" on Fool Us . During Penn's code-worded interrogation afterwards he noted that Leeman seemed to be the partner with the most "pull" in the act. Both David and Leeman nodded in agreement. So it seems like Philpott may have re-invented some variation on Bill Neff's Miracle Rope ?

https://youtu.be/YLkRmXGNtWI?t=221

But it seems like there must be more to it than simply a reworking of Neff's rope trick, because here is what Chris Philpott posted after David & Leeman performed it on Fool Us:

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On Aug 4, 2016, Chris Philpott wrote:
Fantastic performance of The End-of-my-Rope-Trick by David and Leeman on Penn and Teller Fool Us last night!

Penn called it, a "Great trick! Great trick!" Smile

Those of you who know the method, what do you think of Penn's explanation? Is naming a traditional part of the method while ignoring the original part good enough?



Note that he says: "Those of you who know the method, what do you think of Penn's explanation? Is naming a traditional part of the method while ignoring the original part good enough?"


So I think we know what he means here by Penn mentioning the "traditional part of the method" , but he says that Penn ignored "the original part" , implying that there is more to it than what Penn was alluding to ...

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Because Chris Philpott went on to say:

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On Aug 24, 2016, Chris Philpott wrote:

I think David and Leeman did a really good job. There was a slight timing issue at one moment so that it's not entirely Youtube proof. Then again, I would say the part you can figure out is not the core of the method (which they hid beautifully).

When I told Max Maven about P&T's explanation, he said, "That's not the method!" It's a tricky question. Certainly this effect has fooled a lot of very knowledgeable magicians (Jon Armstrong, Doc Eason, El Ropo, Bill Abbott...) so we thought we had a decent shot at fooling P&T at least with the core method (which Daryl and many others believe is original).

What's different about this effect is the part that allows you to cut through a whole bunch of coils of rope at once, then restore it instantly. Using a p**l (or a t*p*t, or p**ming, or any of the other ways I explain on the DVD) is the clean-up. We knew there was no way we were going to fool P&T with the clean up (unless we seriously red herring'd them, which the producers discourage you from doing). We had planned on checking with Johnny Thompson during rehearsal to see if them identifying the clean-up was enough of an explanation, but it turned out the rehearsal was the same day as Irene Larsen's Memorial service which Johnny attended so we were never able to ask. In the absence of clear guidelines, it was far better to concede than argue the point. While fooling P&T is certainly the hook of the show, presenting good magic in an entertaining way is the real goal, one which I think David and Leeman did admirably.


(from this topic: https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......start=80 )

I have not yet read that entire topic about The End of My Rope , but I'm sure this was all discussed in as great a detail as allowed without causing outright exposure. (a lot of time that line seems to be crossed when discussing new tricks here on the Café , I know I've been guilty of that myself in certain topics) I'm going to go read the entire topic now. Whether this is or isn't partially based on Himber's apparently forgotten "Throw Out Rope Trick" , the Philpott trick seems to be worth looking at . If it can be performed at any time in the act then it is certainly an improvement over Neff's rope trick which is limited to being an opener , unless some sort of locking p _ _ l or a h_ld_ ut is used.



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David Todd, are you forgetting the red ladies nylon stocking gag, that makes it possible to perform Neff's Rope effect during you show. It does not have to be an Opener effect.
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The Himber manuscript is available at Trickshop.com.
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I don't really like the panama rope trick c n r and its variants. I don't care if a modern magician who was begging for help for covid does it or not. That type of c n r could only really convince magicians. Not spectators. IMHO
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I have The Panama Rope and Himber's throw out Rope. They are both good and a bit different in methods.
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