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Corey K Special user Rhode Island 502 Posts |
I am looking for someone that has experience with Andre Kole's No Feet illusion. I have an idea of a similar illusion but with a different approach, and I want to make sure that it doesn't infringe on Andre's idea. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Corey King
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
Check out his web page at:
http://www.andrekole.org Click on the "How To Contact" link and get in touch with his staff. They are very helpful. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Farrell Veteran user 371 Posts |
Corey sup dood? um I think if the effect is different than no feet then do it. If the effect is the same and the method is different you should still be ok. go ahead and do it. no one stopped you from making a new form of self levitation did they and I don't think balducci would have cared. you're not stealing Andre's effect that would be stupid but if he was inspiration then let him know it but I don't think you need permission
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andl Regular user Austria 159 Posts |
Hi corey!
farrel is right! if it's a different approach than do it! and even it is the same, if you build it yourself and don't sell it, it should be ok! andy |
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Corey K Special user Rhode Island 502 Posts |
I really don't think that it works the same way. I'm gonna go ahead and build the prototype and take it from there.
Thanks for the support, guys.
Corey King
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Tor Egil Elite user Norway 495 Posts |
I also have an idea for a No Feet illusions. It looks more like a floating torso.
Heres the effect: The magician steps into a box, which goes up to his knees. He bends down to pick up the box. As he is lifting the box, his legs seem to dissapear. He lifts it all the way up. A little bit of his torso can be seen beneath the box rim.
Blog on baby
http://crazymanic.blogspot.com/ |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
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On 2004-06-08 07:09, andl wrote: Something just doesn't seem right about this counsel! Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
I agree with you, Terry.
Here's a thread that discusses the ethics of making someone else's trick, without permission (even if you figure it out): Magic Café thread... DIY MAGIC: Mums Flower Present - Donald.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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Farrell Veteran user 371 Posts |
Corey is fine... it's a different take on an illusion there is no permission needed it's "different"
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andl Regular user Austria 159 Posts |
Hey terry and donald!
why not making this illusion when you have the same idea yoursself??? it would be different if somebody told him how it works and he builds it, that wouldn't be ok. but I think when he has the same idea separatly from Andre Kole, than why not building it himself? just my personal opinion! |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
Andl -
I did post the additional thread, where I have explained this. If you see someone performing something, it is not always public domain to go an build it yourself, even if you can "figure it out." I'm not really clear whether you agree with that or not (we may be having a debate for no reason at all ). I give some examples of this on the other thread -- Jim Steinmeyer's Origami Illusion and Andre Kole's Spiked Table of Death Illusion were both ripped off by people who weren't authorized to make or use them. Remember, even if he hasn't seen it, Corey is aware that Andre performs the "No Feet" Illusion, so he can't claim that he invented his version totally independent of Andre Kole's influence / inspiration. As I don't understand all of the picture between Corey's idea and Andre's idea, I am in no position to make judgement on this. If it is NOT a public domain illusion, then royalties should be paid to the inventor of the concept. This is part of the pricing you pay when you buy "authorized" illusions through "authorized" dealers. In my personal opinion, I think that the right thing to do (is to do what Terry suggested earlier on this thread), is to contact Andre Kole or his staff, and ask. Just make sure that what he is doing is OK. Better to ask first, rather than have to deal with all sorts of hassles later on. Again, this is my opinion. Thanks for hearing me out. - Donald.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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andl Regular user Austria 159 Posts |
Hi Donald!
I think there are very different views on ethics (no matter if about f.e. human rights or magic tricks)! everyone can just tell HIS opininon. and the opinion of the majority is ethical correct which doesn't mean that it is right! perhaps it makes a difference if corey saw andrew kole's illusion and tried to build it himself or if he had the same idea and recognized afterwards that the illusion already exists! but in MY personal opinion both way would be correct as long as it was really his personal idea and that he doesn't sell it! in fact corey has to agree it with his conscience but asking andrew can't be wrong! greetings, andy |
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
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On 2004-06-09 13:32, andl wrote: "Both ways are correct, as long as the illusionist is not selling it?" Wow! I'll bet a lot of illusion creators, and also authorized illusion builders, don't like your view. Just because you see it, does not give you permission to copy it. You are DEFINITELY stealing, in that case. How can it be your personal idea, if you are copying? Again, some illusions are not public domain. Now if your idea is different, then it is appropriate to ask the illusion's creator, and find out if those differences are significant enough to make it a new idea or not. - Donald.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
I always find it interesting how peoples opinions take them to different places. I would have to say that there is a good many magicians out there that have seen something that has "inspired" them to build what they saw so that they can get the same results as the magician they saw perform it. They don't take into consideration the amount of work in the dance or the lighting or even the patter involved that the inventor may have spent. Many times that illusion really only works for the person that invented it. I laugh(and not in the good way) at the many magicians that have been doing something that obviously wasnt theirs and or didn't even give good thought of how to incorporate it into their show. Opinions differ for what is right and what is not, but lets ask ourselves something and for once in our lying lives be honest. If you spent days, months or even years developing something that you felt would make you unique, different and perhaps marketable and saw someone else steal your idea not just the illusion but the idea. Wouldnt you be a bit ticked off that they didn't go thru all the growing pains that you did to learn what you know. To top things off, that they do it farrrr worse than you do and they don't care cause they charge tons cheaper and they will just rip someone else off. It will sometimes reflect badly on you. Im sure Im getting on a soapbox here. There are sometimes no real right or wrong in this. I am just as guilty as the next but I have strived to learn to improve my art and to be as original as possible. The things that are in the show that most magicians do in theirs are public domain items. I can proudly say that there are items that no other magicians have, but give it time and someone will get "inspired" to come up with thier own trick and basically come up with the exact same thing that I have. Lets do the right thing and ask Andre Kole for his input in the illusion. Since he is the person that invented it he could deff be the person to tell you how close your "version" is.
Good luck and let your concience be your guide. Magically, Robert Long |
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LeeAlex2002 Inner circle 1007 Posts |
Check out Puchinger in Germany who has a no feet illusion too. How is this diffeent to Andre Koles?
It sounds very much like what Tor Egil describes. |
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HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Do you have a link for that Lee? It would be interesting to look at it!
Robert |
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M-Illusion Special user 549 Posts |
Also, don't forget that many years ago, Joe Carson published a "No Feet" illusion in a book put out by Abbott's.
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LeeAlex2002 Inner circle 1007 Posts |
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On 2004-06-11 03:28, HarbinJr. wrote: You have to be a customer of Puchinger before getting access to the site ( which is in German!). |
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RVH Magic Special user 877 Posts |
Joe Carson invented the no feet effect (you had to stand in front of a table)
Andre Kole took the Joe carson effect & made it into a practical illusion . So ,if you want to do this effect in a box using a method simmular to andre's you should contact him ! If it is based on the Carson version then you can use it without andre's premission. puchingers site is : http://www.gpuchinger.de |
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts |
Can anyone describe "Left Foot, Right Foot, No Foot" as advertised at the Punchinger site? It sounds a bit like Andre's version of "No Feet."
Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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