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shakuni Inner circle 1170 Posts |
Hi,
Can anyone please tell me what is the name of this version of cups and balls that is performed while sitting in padmasana, Its clearly not the traditional Indian cups and balls (Cheppum Panthum) but I am not sure if its published or what is its name. Thanks! |
countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
I would suggest, since you have not had a reply to this post, that this magician is doing the move from the Indian cups and balls, without the traditional Indian cups with the stem. This is very important because it shows you can do the normal Indian c. n balls "move' without regular cups......... very useful.
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ekins Special user Portland, Oregon 513 Posts |
I agree with countrymaven, that he's doing a modified Cheppum Panthum to work with a cup without a stem. Take a look at Gary performing with the standard cups and you'll see similarities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t88TicT-6U Here's another version from an Indian talent show that illustrates some other variations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niykzRINfeU |
MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 329 Posts |
Wow! Does any one know a good resource for learning the movies they are using? It seems like, altho using cups and balls and producing a similar affect, the moves must be different.
Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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Chuck Finley Regular user 139 Posts |
Abbott's sells a book that is actually the compilations of three books by Eddie Joseph that is a very good resource for this type of thing. He describes it often in the text as using elephant bells but the premise is still the same; very little modification to the handling. Eddie Joseph was a huge fan of the Indian cup and balls and spends a lot of the book discussing it.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
This move is really an important observation perhaps. You could use it some with a regular c n balls or chop cup. it really mixes up the level of deception!!!
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MagicByVincent Veteran user Staten Island, New York 329 Posts |
I’d love to learn a move or 2 from this style C&B routine & work it into my traditional C&B routine.
Magic is all around us we just have to be willing to see it.
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countrymaven Inner circle 1426 Posts |
Magic Vin, and others, we will have to be a little creative to adapt this move to the regular c n b's or chop cup. Regular c n b's may require a slight change in the P, and how you hold the cup.
there is also another move often used in the Indian c n b's. The cup is slightly upturned and the p. ball is dropped into the c. the c. is turned over as you place it down. This is similar to the most basic cup and balls move with the cups, but in this case is being done with a p. Sometimes you might think all your fun in a routine is over, but this shows me how new tools can really improve a routine. I am trying to share this without exposing to a non magician. if someone thinks a spec. could figure this out, have the thread moved. |
Al Kazam the Magic Man Inner circle Living in Perth Western Australia 1042 Posts |
That is the normal Indian cups and balls routine. I've seen a few different Indian videos and they are all very similar. I've also seen a few do the same routines live when I lived in Taiwan and the entertainment park hired a series of magician straight from India to perform there. They were all doing the same routines with the same looking props, with many of the same moves.
On a side note: There is a whole community of Muslim magicians who live in a section of Dehli who have been passing down their routines to their kids and so on. That's why many of them do the same style of false transfer.
Magic guy in Perth Australia
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DrVG Loyal user 264 Posts |
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On Jan 9, 2021, Al Kazam the Magic Man wrote: Being in Taiwan I d like to know where I could witness those Indian magicians? Btw I have studied Indian and Chinese cb with some local masters, I m thinking to publish a pamphlet about some of the specificities, not sure which format would be best and if there s really an interest? Rgds VG |
DrVG Loyal user 264 Posts |
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On Jan 7, 2021, Chuck Finley wrote: Does it cover the specific moves used when sitting in half lotus posture? Thanks |
Al Kazam the Magic Man Inner circle Living in Perth Western Australia 1042 Posts |
DrVG,
Great that you're living in Taiwan. I lived there for 16 years from January 1990 the end of 2005. Mostly in Kaohsiung and 1 year in Taipei. The entertainment park was in Kaohsiung County near where I was living. It's been closed now for some time, but they used to have a lot of different Indian entertainers there. I was told by them directly that in Dehli there is a community of magicians who have been doing magic for a very long time and pass down their teachings to their kids to keep up their life styles. The videos of the performer sitting on the ground with the small stainless steel flat style bowls is very common for this group, as well as the way they do the egg bag with the same style of bag. I saw this many times when I was there. I bought a few of the props from one man before he returned to India. I've also been to India twice for tours of performing magic shows in Goa. Had a fantastic time. As for a preference for C&B's, I own a couple of Sherwood sets of cups and do my own variation of the Vernon's routine with some bits and pieces from Gazzo thrown in for fun. I'm too old to be sitting on the floor cross legged trying to recite the routine in Tamil (I think) which is pretty hard to learn, plus only Tamils from southern India can understand what you're saying. If I was to try and learn an Indian c&B routine I'd try to learn it in Hindi as at least a huge percentage of the people can understand it. Just the way I'd do it, as I think there's no value is sitting there talking in a language that very few people outside of Tamil Nadu in the south can understand at all. Al
Magic guy in Perth Australia
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ekins Special user Portland, Oregon 513 Posts |
I believe Nate Staniforth talks about this group of magicians in Delhi in his book "Here Is Real Magic: A Magician's Search for Wonder in the Modern World". It's a great read and you can get it for almost nothing on eBay.
DrVG, I think there would be a lot of interest in material discussing these techniques and routines. -Brian |
Chuck Finley Regular user 139 Posts |
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On Mar 8, 2022, DrVG wrote: Yes Eddie Joseph covers all of it in the book. He was a huge fan and would travel all of India looking for people performing it; he then published his thoughts on it. But it covers so many ideas on cups and balls. This should be on everyone's reading list if they want to do the cups |
Al Kazam the Magic Man Inner circle Living in Perth Western Australia 1042 Posts |
This youtube clip popped up on my FB page a few minutes back. All the tricks and the way he performs them is exactly the same I've seen several times from different magicians while I was in Taiwan.
https://youtu.be/wTbFj0vAFlI
Magic guy in Perth Australia
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