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I am not. But when you jump in the middle of me talking to landmark and start doing things like this you look just argumentative.
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Let's see. I mentioned that England, Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Israel, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway are not Utopia, but are doing better with medical and unemployment help than the US. Which of those countries do you feel are socialist, repressive countries?
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We are NOT those countries, nor should we try to be. They are indeed doing better with "help" but where were they BEFORE this problem?

Like I said you are preaching in the wrong section here.
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Before the pandemic? They were in a place where they could respond intelligently to a medical and economic emergency.
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Riiiight. Little revisionist history going on there. But keep pushing your Utopian socialist agenda. It is what makes you happy.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/03/euro......-croatia
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On Dec 3, 2020, landmark wrote:
Before the pandemic? They were in a place where they could respond intelligently to a medical and economic emergency.


First he asks why you don’t leave the country, and now he says you’re pushing a socialist agenda.

I’m not sure why he feels the need to behave this way, but I apologize on behalf of other magicians and other Americans.
Let’s keep voting for change Smile
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Riiiight. Little revisionist history going on there. But keep pushing your Utopian socialist agenda. It is what makes you happy.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/03/euro......-croatia


Yes people in Italy are dying. And three times the number are dying here daily. But your article says *nothing* about medical and economic help for the populace, which is what we are discussing. The question is what are countries doing to mitigate the pain?

And again, since you insist on red-baiting, which of the following countries do you feel is an evil socialist country because they provide universal medical insurance for their people, while many of them allowed people to stay at work by paying them their salaries:

England, Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Israel, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, or Norway?

Instead of insisting "We're Number One" when in this case we clearly are not, we might try and *learn* something from other countries. We don't have to *become* them, but we can be open to learning from them. Believe it or not, there are some countries that do some things better than we do.
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On Dec 3, 2020, landmark wrote:
Before the pandemic? They were in a place where they could respond intelligently to a medical and economic emergency.


First he asks why you don’t leave the country, and now he says you’re pushing a socialist agenda.

I’m not sure why he feels the need to behave this way, but I apologize on behalf of other magicians and other Americans.
Let’s keep voting for change Smile


Apparently you do not read his other posts in NVMS.
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On Dec 4, 2020, Dannydoyle wrote:
Riiiight. Little revisionist history going on there. But keep pushing your Utopian socialist agenda. It is what makes you happy.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/03/euro......-croatia


Yes people in Italy are dying. And three times the number are dying here daily. But your article says *nothing* about medical and economic help for the populace, which is what we are discussing. The question is what are countries doing to mitigate the pain?

And again, since you insist on red-baiting, which of the following countries do you feel is an evil socialist country because they provide universal medical insurance for their people, while many of them allowed people to stay at work by paying them their salaries:

England, Canada, France, Germany, Spain, Israel, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, or Norway?

Instead of insisting "We're Number One" when in this case we clearly are not, we might try and *learn* something from other countries. We don't have to *become* them, but we can be open to learning from them. Believe it or not, there are some countries that do some things better than we do.


Why not state for everyone your political goals here so they know? Be honest about what you think America needs to be. Tell us all about the failed system that is America you always preach.

It is always such a big part of your criticism and leaving it out is disingenuous.

If you ARE socialist then is it red baiting to simply point it out? I am a capitalist. Why is knowing who is speaking red baiting?

Go ahead and share your vision for America unvarnished and let's then discuss.
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Please. I've never been shy about my political beliefs and you well know that.

The red-baiting comes in when you don't respond to the content of a post, but do what you think is name-calling. It's a lazy way to avoid dealing with the actual detail of what's been said. It's something out of the 1950s.

You call yourself a capitalist, and yet you argue so vehemently against what the other capitalist countries I've mentioned are doing. Why is that? Are they not capitalist countries? What is your opinion on that? Maybe you're not a capitalist. Or maybe you're only a certain kind of capitalist?

Believe it or not, capitalist countries can learn from other capitalist countries.

My vision for America which I've stated more than once here is one where during a pandemic, workers and small businessmen can get universal medical insurance and a universal basic income at the very least. I've already said that. What's your vision and your solution to 300,000 dead and economic distress? Best I remember--not sure if it was here or NVMS--is you've said probably nothing more can be done. Which is so lame when we have the examples of what *can* be done by looking at other countries who have handled the consequences so much better.
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How do you plan to do it within the bounds of the Constitution?
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What part of the Constitution says Congress may not legislate universal medical insurance or a universal basic income or provide for the general welfare?
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I know you like to expand the general welfare clause, but that sort of thing is the purview of the State. But keep trying.

You want to use it as a blank check to do everything you believe is right. Doesn't work that way.
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On Dec 4, 2020, landmark wrote:
Best I remember--not sure if it was here or NVMS--is you've said probably nothing more can be done.


Just to get to this let me say that I said I don't know what more can be done. Meaning I, unlike you and so many others, an NOT an infections disease expert. So I don't know what can and can not be done.

I, unlike you and so many others am not an expert in the Constitution, war, foreign affairs, the Middle East, the economy, elections in literally every state in every level, medicine, heath care, gun control, police shootings, corruption, and the list goes on.

It means I know my limits quite well and stay within them. Even if a politician says something I may agree with but personally know nothing about it carries no weight with me.

You have an agenda and world view that is going to be pushed no matter what. You see everything through the prism of how bad America is and want to change it. Cool this is absolutely your right. I just think it is important to point it out. Which by the way is MY right and it is pathetic when you and thomasR try to suppress MY rights when you call it red baiting and he wants to apologize like he did.

That is the problem with rights isn't it? Everyone has them!
Danny Doyle
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