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On Oct 18, 2020, the_man_who_knows wrote:
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On Oct 4, 2020, maklakmak wrote:
Mac_Stone has been told by Magic Mark that he should add a "d" to the end of his user name. However, for me, Mark's ally Doric came up with the wittiest comment in this thread when, during the black or white die debate on 20th September, he announced that "black dice matter".


Yes, making fun of a movement aimed to stop institutional racism is downright hilarious.


BLM is not exactly on surface what you think it is.
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On Sep 18, 2020, Illucifer wrote:
This is outright, unrepentant theft. Period. On top of that, it's unbelievable that they choose to expose it all over social media. Stealing and exposing what they've stolen, and lying about it all along the way. I hope they are sued over this. It's disgusting.


It isnít at all, are you fully informed in business copyright laws btw. Iím not saying itís ethical but legally itís correct. Because you may or may not have spent a considerable amount on a product previously does not make it unjust that a manufacturer has made a similar product at nearly 80% less. And yes I have paid a premium for a similar product previously so feel slightly overcharged!


Marc Antoine came up with the 3 dice effect and the colour reader. He let Murphy's wholesale it, Murphy's then release their copy. It may not be illegal, but I don't like the ethics at all. Marc makes a thumper - Murphy's release a thumper.
Marc can only compete with his innovations, but Murphy's can copy and manufacture cheaper.

It is a shame money is more important than doing the right thing.

All things aside, Marc's product complete with Thumper and App is better. It is more expensive because he doesn't have the economies of scale Murphy's do.



No, Craig Filicetti developed this concept long before Antoine's product.
And this new product is absolutely unethical.I'm constantly ashamed of the community of magicians. They have no respect for each other and each other's creations. Only money.


I donít think the magic community owes any thing different as far as the arena of ideas than any other area of commerce. If you can make it better faster more efficient cheaper than go for it. The market will bear. Iíve purchased thousands of dollars from Graig F. Iíve no loyalty to not purchase others products of the same genre. Iíve already paid my dues.

If other creators come up with an idea and product that isnít on the market Iíll give it consideration at that time. Then if it becomes available for less somewhere else heck why not buy that too? I donít need to buy another one again from the original creator.

And if Iím in the market and just canít afford $1500 cause Iím an amateur then why do without vs paying less. The other guy wouldnít have gotten my money anyway.

Just some thoughts to mix it up a bit.
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On Oct 4, 2020, Magic Mark wrote:
A single person suggests that other people's cell phones might be causing interference. It is a suggestion.. a guess.. the theory isn't based on ANY scientific data. Yet, because your bias apparently causes you to reject reason and critical thinking, immediately you assume the suggestion must be true. Smile

You need to add a "d" to the end of your username! Smile

Mark


He could also change his last name to out.
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Hi all,
I am still new to the Cafť, I read a lot but I rarely post. I recently purchased Magic Dice and then Magic Die. I only saw this thread only after my purchases and I did not realise there was a big discussion about the history of it all.
As I learned the craft on my own, I got into the habbit of remembering (or trying to remember) the original names, classic names and the creators of moves and routines.
Can I ask if I got this right?
- Craig Filicetti got the idea first for the stage, boxed oversized dice with electronics
- Tony Anverdi had an effect of uncovered dice with electronics with a thumper
- Marc Antoine created a set of three dice with a screen (then later with a thumper and app.)
- Murphys then repurposed Anverdi's ideas with Antoine's innovations by recreating a slightly more modern die and reader (then later with a thumper.)

I hope I got that right.

So my overall question is, is there a way to support the original creators? I have attempted to find the aforementioned routine from Craig Fillicetti and the original ideas behind Anverdi's method, but I also wanted to support Antoine becasue I think an app is a great idea, especially for a smart watch. But I honestly can only find the Mental Die and Mental Dice products I already purchased. I noticed a lot of the links provided in this thread don't work anymore, so I am deeply curious to get pointed in the right direction - please and thankyou.

I like to point out that I have been doing card magic for a long time, but I am new to stage effects and things like die and coins etc. I am also the kind of person that like to ensure that I am learning the craft as opposed to buying the next best trick. So 1) Getting an app for an effect will be awesome, but 2) I want to learn from the masters and Fillicetti is a name I know nothing about, and since I am learning about people like Banachek, Max Malini, Jeff Hobson and other names along the way, I find one thing in common, magicians always teach the original by mentioning the name of the move before teaching their own version or their own move or alteration.

Finally, I have to say, the Mental dice and die is great, but I'd rather learn from the greats, and I would love to find out what Anverdi actually made if people here are claiming that this is just a reproduction of someone elses effect.

Again, Please and thankyou
Leo
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If the spectator lifts the die, will you be able to see that on the display or do they have to roll it?
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On Aug 20, 2021, Leonil wrote:
Hi all,
I am still new to the Cafť, I read a lot but I rarely post. I recently purchased Magic Dice and then Magic Die. I only saw this thread only after my purchases and I did not realise there was a big discussion about the history of it all.
As I learned the craft on my own, I got into the habbit of remembering (or trying to remember) the original names, classic names and the creators of moves and routines.
Can I ask if I got this right?
- Craig Filicetti got the idea first for the stage, boxed oversized dice with electronics
- Tony Anverdi had an effect of uncovered dice with electronics with a thumper
- Marc Antoine created a set of three dice with a screen (then later with a thumper and app.)
- Murphys then repurposed Anverdi's ideas with Antoine's innovations by recreating a slightly more modern die and reader (then later with a thumper.)

I hope I got that right.

So my overall question is, is there a way to support the original creators? I have attempted to find the aforementioned routine from Craig Fillicetti and the original ideas behind Anverdi's method, but I also wanted to support Antoine becasue I think an app is a great idea, especially for a smart watch. But I honestly can only find the Mental Die and Mental Dice products I already purchased. I noticed a lot of the links provided in this thread don't work anymore, so I am deeply curious to get pointed in the right direction - please and thankyou.

I like to point out that I have been doing card magic for a long time, but I am new to stage effects and things like die and coins etc. I am also the kind of person that like to ensure that I am learning the craft as opposed to buying the next best trick. So 1) Getting an app for an effect will be awesome, but 2) I want to learn from the masters and Fillicetti is a name I know nothing about, and since I am learning about people like Banachek, Max Malini, Jeff Hobson and other names along the way, I find one thing in common, magicians always teach the original by mentioning the name of the move before teaching their own version or their own move or alteration.

Finally, I have to say, the Mental dice and die is great, but I'd rather learn from the greats, and I would love to find out what Anverdi actually made if people here are claiming that this is just a reproduction of someone elses effect.

Again, Please and thankyou
Leo



I'm not sure if all of your info is correct and I am not enough of an expert to attempt to correct it. With a lot of magic history it can often be controversial with a certain camp believing so and so was the creator and another believing it was someone else. This is especially true when you get into variations, improvements, etc. Much of our history (and not just magic but world history) is not black and white, there are many shades to it.

I wish you luck in your journey!

Craig Filicetti's company is ProMystic.com
https://promystic.com/products/real-die-standard

Marc Antoine's company is Dodymagic.com
https://dodymagic.com/

One of the foremost experts on Anverdi and his props is Chuck Caputo. You can find him on FaceBook. Also join the Anverdi group on FB if you haven;t already. Chuck posts on there fairly regularly with lots of information about Anverdi's props.

Thanks for caring about the history of effects.
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