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CardGuyMike Special user 851 Posts 
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The reason why I don't believe it's the same trick is that in PURACAAN (which can be done with a borrowed shuffled deck) you have to quickly spread through the face-up deck after the card is named. On Fool Us, the card was not named but freely selected and then Penn shuffled the deck. This absolutely cannot be done in PURACAAN.
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2989 Posts
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If we're brainstorming method - Note that he can cull a key type card e.g. stripper, crimp, sticky stuff, under the spread so that it goes on top of Teller's card. With sticky, the overhand shuffle won't break the seal. Without that, you're taking your chances with the overhand shuffle. It could mess up your key. I think that once you have control of the card and get it near the top, it's an under the spread force to the number.
Had Penn said 6, there would have been 7 cards in the packet if an under the spread force had been used. So, I'd have to guess that three is the sweet spot since it appeared that Penn had only 3 cards. On the other hand, Penn said that he and Teller "noticed some things." And, as was mentioned above, they sometimes edit out tells to make the trick better. Just some guesses. Mike
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CardGuyMike Special user 851 Posts
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That is a good point -- Fool Us has been known to edit out or cut away from important details of the method.
And watching again, there is a cut right after Teller shuffles the cards. After the cut, it seems like we may be seeing the tail end of Boris manipulating the deck in some way. However, Teller was sitting at a table and could easily have riffle shuffled the cards. But perhaps the selected card just needs to be somewhere near the top. After all, Boris is a master of marked decks and he was using a Phoenix deck. |
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jcroop Special user 773 Posts
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I wondered if it could be a special Phoenix deck and not sleight of hand.
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dj Inner circle 1220 Posts
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Oct 9, 2020, Kjellstrom wrote: Its good for magicians, but not terribly exciting for casual spectators. The plot is a simple you pick a card I find it. He is under a lot of heat from pros but a simple sw*tch deck would play exactly the same for laymen.
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Waterloophai Inner circle Belgium 1373 Posts
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On Oct 10, 2020, Mr Salk wrote: " You pick a card and I find it ". O yes ? Explain. I have the impression that you even not realize what Boris did. |
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markymarkmagicuk Veteran user UK 329 Posts
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Let's ignore the fact several edits were made during the performance, and as for Boris knowing the card and controlling it to a position in the deck, remember this guy is a skilled card manipulator, he can cull, cut, move cards with his eyes shut! The only part of this trick that baffles me totally is having the card in the 3rd position, and dealing off "cleanly" 3 cards (no 2nd deals etc..) and it's the chosen card! WoW!
However, several people on YT talk about "subliminal" signals Boris uses to cause Penn to say number 3, come on guys, who you trying to kid... It's too risky especially on Penn he knows all those subtle "persuasion" methods. Maybe I'm totally wrong, MAYBE, just maybe, within an edited out bit, Penn had already given the number 3 earlier in the performance, so when he mentions it at the end the card was already placed in position by Boris! Other than that I'm stumped by that final ending. |
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts
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On Oct 10, 2020, Waterloophai wrote: Since none of us is a layperson, we really don't know do we? The only way to know is to play the trick for a layperson and ask them. You might try it sometime. I'm using YOU in the rhetorical sense, not calling anyone out.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5195 Posts
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I'm going with gimmicked Phoenix deck.
Why else pull out a whole box? It felt like he was running a bit without being chased. I say a whole box of gimmicked decks there.
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Claudio Inner circle Europe 1972 Posts
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On Oct 13, 2020, landmark wrote: The argument against this is that Penn takes the deck with him to examine at leisure with Teller. I doubt that they would have missed to spot anything untoward. Even if the deck were only marked (with no further work in), that would not explain much. If I'm wrong and the deck was gimmicked, I want a couple of decks for myself! |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Oct 10, 2020, Waterloophai wrote: Its a great trick and a fooler from my perspective. But it is also nearly identical to the layman as any pick-a-card uncle trick. There is no razzle dazzle or plot. It just builds impossibilities that only magicians can truly appreciate.
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Rupert Pupkin Inner circle 1461 Posts
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Define "plot".
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salmononius2 New user 95 Posts
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On Oct 9, 2020, Waterloophai wrote: I'm fairly certain the removing the jokers/ad cards were just edited out. You can see a flash of a joker at 2:07, and it's gone a second later when he spreads the cards. Personally, I think it was just edited out for editing/runtime reasons, no deep conspiracy about trying to hide the secrets from us magi. But that does mean that things are missing, so it's impossible to really know what else was removed. |
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hypnoman1 New user 76 Posts
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On Oct 13, 2020, salmononius2 wrote: Yes! I felt it was edited as well (for TV purposes) and some of the moves were taken out that we could not see
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CardGuyMike Special user 851 Posts
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On Oct 13, 2020, hypnoman1 wrote: After Teller shuffles, there is a cut and you can see the very tail end of Boris doing something to the deck. Maybe it's nothing but cuts and edits have obscured important details on Fool Us in the past. |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Oct 13, 2020, Rupert Pupkin wrote: The events that make up a trick. Neither the magician nor card does anything strange or magical. It is ordinary mixing cards under apparent scrutiny. I like this trick and think it is fiendishly clever, but it couldn't get past audition for laymen in a show like Americas Got Talent. Quite honestly most workers wouldnt include it in their repertoire. No Pizzazz.
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2989 Posts
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It's even possible that on take 1, Penn said "17" instead of 3. Then an under the spread to 17 would be needed. It can happen that they reshot to make the trick cleaner. In other words, he may have fooled them after Penn said, "17" and they realized that it would look much better and cut some dead time if he had said, "3." They'd then reshoot that part and cut it in.
I'm not saying that this happened. But it's a possibility. I know for sure that they reshoot sometimes when something fails. A friend had his Rubik's cube come apart. They just reshot that part and he got a do-over. They have a lot invested in each performer and don't want all that prep work to be for naught. They want the trick to look as good as it can look. M
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gbabbits New user I've only made 39 Posts
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Penn & Teller and the number 3 go together pretty well so it wouldn't be a huge leap to think he'd choose it, but it's also a decent location in the deck to prep a cull or other setup. The routine was amazing and I don't know how it was actually done, but given Boris's level I would think he'd have separate outs in the event that the targeted location wasn't actually chosen and he got lucky (or, is that skilled) that Penn chose the prepped location. At least, that's how I would approach it.
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Oct 15, 2020, gbabbits wrote: Maybe, but there is a significant amount of work and process going into the final reveal to simply have multiple-outs. P&T would see right through those shenanigans.
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