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-Or were they?
 It's all about showbiz!
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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On Nov 4, 2020, Kaliix wrote: If you really want a rebuttal for the evidence you presented, fine. Penn didn't show the two cards underneath but he spread them and looked at them openly, holding them parallel at first and then openly displaying the three cards as he carried them in a spread back to his seat. He then showed them to Teller as they inspected the whole deck at their seats, surrounded by spectators who could have easily seen if there were dupes. So no, I am not convinced by that theory. Teller is a magician. Magicians don't handle cards like regular people. Another interpretation is that Teller was concentrating on shuffling the cards because he was trying to make sure he fairly mixed the cards and shuffled them. That is as good an explanation as yours is. I see both Penn and Teller as having a moral code that wouldn't allow them to openly and brazenly cheat the viewers of their show. I see no reason at all for them to give a FU to Boris Wild when cleverly calling him out on how the trick was done would be equally entertaining. No real advantage gained so no motive to cheat. Boris Wild is not anyone close to Penn and Teller in any kind of personal way. If he was a close friend or confidant I could see it, but Boris is just another magician on their show, who did an amazing and entertaining routine, regardless of whether he fooled P and T.
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1937 Posts
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Very good points, Kaliix!
If I was to decide to agree with you on those claims then I would take the position with this in mind, "Boris is just another magician on their show, who did an amazing and entertaining routine, regardless of whether he fooled P and T." To which I would say, Penn and Teller were not fooled but they did a fantastic job making it look as if they were. And THAT is show biz! 
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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robbnj New user 1 Post
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I am firmly a non-believer in the idea that this is a stooged effect. As said, these guys have too much to lose by lying about being fooled. There's NO reward for the risk. It would be stupid.
That said, how come no one has proposed the idea that they were fooled simply because the effect was done in a way they had not experienced before? Remember, they have ONE guess. If an effect has multiple possible ways to be done and they pick the wrong one, they are "fooled". More than one magician has done a trick that P&T knew how to do, but the magician created a new method in order to fool them, and succeeded. My bet (given prior posts discussing the strong similarity of this trick to others) is that this is one of those occasions. |
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MBAgamer Regular user 109 Posts
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On Nov 6, 2020, EZrhythm wrote: They were obviously fooled. And I explained why: because the part that fooled them uses a part of the method from the Boris effect PURACAAN. If you know the method behind PURACAAN, you can easily figure out what part of its method is involved in the routine Boris performed on FU. And if you can figure that out, you can very easily see that this routine did, in fact, fool Penn and Teller. In fact it would have fooled anyone under those conditions. In order to see why this is so, you must look into the Boris effect PURACAAN. Penn and Teller were 100% without a doubt fooled and anyone watching would have also been fooled; this is just due to the nature of what happened. A very special circumstance occurred. To know what that is, again, look into the Boris effect PURACAAN. |
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dj Inner circle 1220 Posts
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1297 Posts
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Still doesn't explain Penn calling out the number three and then Boris cleanly dealing to the third card without any deck manipulations. Yes there IS an explanation, which several people have now mentioned in various ways - What happened is (apparently) entirely consistent with PURACAAN. If the spectator happens to call 3, then there is a really clean ending. If Penn had called another number, Boris would have needed to do more work - which would have presumably been more obvious. Boris didn't NEED the number 3, but it was still the best outcome. There are lots of effects with multiple outs, one of which gives the perfect ultra-clean ending. Now I gotta get PURACAAN! |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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Bingo! It was like a magic trick trailer, the best possible outcome...
Quote: On Nov 8, 2020, Nikodemus wrote:
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1937 Posts
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On Nov 8, 2020, Kaliix wrote: Bingo is right! Penn didn't call "THREE" out of the blue. Maybe not stooged but certainly staged! That's showbiz! 
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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Nikodemus Inner circle 1297 Posts
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There is a 1 in 52 chance of him calling 3. Why are you so convinced this must have been a collaboration rather than just good luck? I think you need to provide some concrete evidence.
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2989 Posts
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Watch Boris spread exactly 3 cards around 5:20 into the trick. Are you telling me that the card Penn looked at was not at position three and was somehow snuck into that place? If there was an extra card, why didn't Penn detect that there were more than four cards when he took position of the three cards and the deck? We never see Boris change the order of the cards in any way after three is named.
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CardGuyMike Special user 851 Posts
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If we believe that the card really was at the 3rd position and that this was a normal deck of 52 different cards, then there are really only two options: collaboration or luck. There really is no proof either way but I will never believe collaboration. That goes against Penn's character. And remember, Penn's favorite card is the 3 of clubs so it's not so crazy that he would name 3. For many ACAAN methods that could actually be a tricky number. And if it really was dumb luck, no wonder P&T were fooled.
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iFeatherly New user 26 Posts
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Isn’t Penn’s favorite card the 3 of Clubs? Probably just a hot read that worked out well.
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 2045 Posts
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That's not showbiz, that's a conspiracy theory with no proof...
Quote: On Nov 9, 2020, EZrhythm wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Nov 9, 2020, CardGuyMike wrote: It's every magicians goal to have the only options be stooge, luck or miracle.
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iFeatherly New user 26 Posts
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This is a performance setting where the magician has time to study the people he’ll be performing for before hand. Out of a bunch of episodes I’ve seen, when Teller shuffles it’s typically overhand. When Penn is asked to name a card it’s always the 3 of Clubs. I don’t see an issue with using this type of information to your advantage. Boris could have been taking a flyer by controlling it to that position and hoping for the 3 to be called by Penn. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to believe that was the case.
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lynnef Inner circle 1409 Posts
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On Nov 10, 2020, iFeatherly wrote: I haven't noticed Penn always choosing the 3 of clubs; however, "using this type of information" is perfectly OK in any magic effect. I have a friend who tends to choose the queen of hearts, eg! PLUS I'm quite sure that Boris knows the magic of "outs". So I'll try to figure it out; but in the meantime bask in the fun of this magic performance. Lynn ..... ps thanx iFeatherly |
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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I don't think this is an OUTS trick, as they tend to be rather transparent.
What kind of professional magician would use his golden televised opportunity to perform an outs effect? He wouldn't have made it past the audition.
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Mike Powers Inner circle Midwest 2989 Posts
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An under-the-spread cull to a specific number would most likely start with the card near the top. Position 5 is common, but 3 would work too. Watch the handling from the point where Boris asks Penn to name a number from 1 to 52. It couldn't be cleaner. One, two, three cards which are then handed just as cleanly to Penn. Either the card is at three or it's the cleanest switch in the history of magic. Also, Penn keeps the cards. So we must assume that he has exactly three cards.
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Mr Salk Special user Tied to 568 Posts
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On Nov 10, 2020, Mike Powers wrote: But Boris has the cards in magicians grip for a long time and several camera-cuts between the Ask and Count.
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