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Gaz Lawrence
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Spot on maklakmak you summed it up perfectly Gaz 👍🙂
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On Oct 14, 2020, maklakmak wrote:
The bottom line is this;

1. If it is to be examined at the outset, a straight un-gimmicked key must be employed in both cases. However,
2. If it is to be examined after the 'bend', an un-gimmicked bent key must be switched for JK III's product (but not for PropDog's).

That is why JK III provides both straight and bent un-gimmicked keys while PropDog only provides the former.


Exactly right!
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Thanks Gaz. I would still like to sample a few of JK III's keys but I just don't want of buy a mixture of 26! I say once again - PropDog sells keys individually.
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I just revisited my propdog keys tonight and itís a real shame someone canít actually crack this . The easy bend keys do bend but they are far from easy , however you can do it and then they would need a Herculean effort to bend them back which is great . However they are just no where near easy enough it the first place , itís a killer effect if someone could take it that extra bit and get the science right . If you are going to use James version you may as well stick to Rasmusís coins or nails imho . Itís a shame that James keys canít take a viagra half way through the routine imo Gaz 🙂
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Is those
20 gimmicked keys can only use for 20 times or each gimmicked key can use a few times.?
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Is those
20 gimmicked keys can only use for 20 times or each gimmicked key can use a few times.?


You can use them multiple times, but I wouldn't say more than 3 times. The more you bend it the harder the metal becomes and makes it more difficult to straighten back out.
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Hi. My question is after using the 20 gimmicked keys, could a proficient DIY person make their own refills? I am not a professional magician, but I perform quite a bit, all charity. I'd be happy to buy it the first time, but I can't justify spending the big bucks every time I run out of gimmicks.
KJ


Unfortunately not, there are 3 processes for these keys and can only be accomplished in large bulk.


Thanks for the honest answer. Oddly, I ended up buying these from the Penguin Open Box at a big discount. One thing that I have found is that if I just give one a tiny bend and then switch it out for one of the pre-bent ones and pretend to bend it further in the same way you would create the illusion of bending an already bent coin, the bendable key can be bent over and over. I suspect that eventually it will break, but that actually would likely be the best presentation anyway. So, now I can see getting many more presentations out of one key, perhaps 3, maybe 10.

Here is my newly created routine for these:

I start with a solid ungimmicked coin in my left back pocket and a solid pre-bent coin in my right back pocket, and the soft gimmick coin on my keychain in my left back pocket.

I remove the keychain and remove the soft gimmick key from the keychain. The rest of the keys go back in my back left pocket.

I show the key from all angles and then proceed to give it just a little bend.

As I am holding the key for them to see, I grab the pre-bent key from my right back pocket. I do a false transfer from my left hand to right, pretending to position the key on my right pointer finger with the head of the key behind my thumb and the teeth of the key pointed at them. I then do the traditional coin bend where I rub the key as I am pushing it forward. This makes it look like it is bending more and more by just rubbing.

I then reach into my back pocket to remove my ring of keys. In the process, I ditch the soft key gimmick and retrieve the un-gimmicked straight key along with the rest of my keys.

I hand them the bent key for examination and ask them to try to bend it back with one hand.

As they are doing that, I transfer the un-gimmicked straight key into right finger palm. I take back the bent key in my left hand, and false transfer the bent key from my left hand to my right as I say: "Let's try to straighten it". The keys and bent key go back into my left pocket.

I hold up the key, with just the tip pointing out and my thumb rubs the key. I then take both hands and pretend it needs to be straightened just a bit more as I appear to manipulate it with both hands. I then hand out the regular ungimmicked straight key for examination.

I hope this helps.

KJ
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I have come to realize that this is a real bargain with the handling above. I am really loving this! I practiced with one gimmicked key and I got 20 bends out of it and it still hasn't broken. I only bend it a small amount, but it is totally noticeable.

Just one more thought: I am going to take one of the solid pre-bent keys, place it in my vice and bend the tip in the opposite direction, so the bend is a zig zag. I think that would be even more impressive to hand out and ask them to try to straighten it with just one hand.

I do think that it is important to do the bends with just one hand, that way, it is clearly not a demonstration of strength. I also think that it is important to do something "magical" before bending the keys. I say: "I just need around 20 seconds to focus on this." I then hold the soft key between my pointer, thumb, and ring finger and hold it out for them to clearly see. My other hand goes over my eyes. I then say: "If this works, it will require the least amount of pressure. I can't tell if it is bending. If you would, look at the key very closely and let me know if you see it bend. It may or may not work." They will clearly see it bend, even if I only bend it around 1/5th of the bend that the solid pre-bent key is. The only time I use two hands is at the very end when I am pretending to do the final touches to get it perfectly straight.

The other thing I like about this is that I can carry all three keys on my keychain on a daily basis. If someone asks to see something, I can set up right in front of them by pretending to remove one key, but actually removing three keys and placing two of them into my back pockets. If sitting down, they keys can go in my lap, or if on a couch, they can go just under my left and right leg, with the keychain just next to my left leg.

As for these keys vs Propdog keys, if they work similarly, I would suggest you use whichever match your most standard keys. These keys match the most standard US keys perfectly. If you use UK standard keys in the US, I don't think it is as good of a presentation. People will think you just figured out that some wierd key is softer than standard US keys.

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OK, one last thought: I tried something slightly different. I found that when I place my "other" hand over my eyes, I can hold the pre-bent key ON MY FACE, under that hand and because my hand simply appears to be covering my eyes, it screams "totally empty". This is just one less thing that has to be done with more misdirection. I simply press the bent key up against my face, with my hand covering it.

I think I just discovered a new palm!

I'm going to call it the Jensen Face Palm (My stage name is Jensen). It is documented in writing here! Smile

KJ
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Ok, ok, one final note on pocket management: My keychain uses the tiny carabiners to separate different keys and stuff. The way I keep these keys on my everyday keychain is to have the soft gimmicked key on a small keyring. The hard straight key and the hard pre-bent keys go directly on a mini carabiner with no key ring. The soft gimmick key on the small key ring goes on the same mini carabiner which then attaches to the central slightly larger key ring that holds all my keys together with multiple mini carabiners. This way, I can easily remove the key ring, hand it to them, and ask them to remove the key from the key ring while I secretly remove the other two keys and get them into position. This also helps me to know which is the soft straight key and which is the hard straight key. It also helps that they are handling the soft key before they know what we are going to do with it, so now the key has been examined without them trying to bend it.

KJ
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Really great ideas KJ thanks for posting sound really good routines . I love your attention to detail with your set up with everything too Gaz 😊
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On Dec 31, 2020, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Really great ideas KJ thanks for posting sound really good routines . I love your attention to detail with your set up with everything too Gaz 😊


Thanks. BTW, I'm sure you gathered that I used the word "coin" when I meant to say "Key". Force of habit.

KJ
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If anyone's interested in this, it appears to be currently more than half off at TripOnMagic: https://www.triponmagic.com/product/the-......kellogg/ as part of their daily deal (no idea how long it will remain there). I was tempted, but didn't realize that you have to swap out the key to be examinable. That doesn't work for what I'm doing (I recently got the PropDog ones). But for those who were interested, here it is much cheaper.
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Thank you for sharing! I have thought about trying them out for the heck of it, but I also have the Propdog ones and love them. It is always nice when you learn about neat deals that are not widely advertised. Thanks again.
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The propdog ones arenít that easy to bend thatís the only problem with them , Gaz 😊
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Hey all you amazing people, we now have the keys available separately! Here is the link below, if you guys have any questions please don't hesitate to reach out!

https://www.magicshopsandiego.com/produc......logg-jr/

Cheers,
James
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On Jan 16, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The propdog ones arenít that easy to bend thatís the only problem with them , Gaz 😊


Huh. The ones I got a few weeks ago are quite easy to bend. Maybe you got a bad batch?
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I have had a few batches and Dave admitted they havenít quite cracked the method . They are so close to perfection itís a shame that unless you get a woman to hold in exactly the right place they canít do it . Itís then obviously impossible to bend back which is what we want but just need the bending part to be easier otherwise thereís no contrast
Gaz 😊 ps great idea though I wish they were perfect as a brilliant effect otherwise
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