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Magixspinx New user 86 Posts |
Hello everyone,
I have seen DC one alive and were amazed about the vanish...where he and a lady vanishing right above the spectators... I know it is a deceptive base, but is really (or seems)a small square like his elevator. What is his position in the deceptive base? Anyone? |
Micheal Leath Inner circle 1048 Posts |
If you are referring to the vanish for "Island," then it is not a base. "One" is the appearance that he sometimes opens his show with. It is also the opening illusion on his last TV Special.
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NFox Inner circle I Do Mentalism Now?! 1101 Posts |
This is not the place to discuss magic secrets.
Nick Fox |
JohnDoh New user 85 Posts |
Moderators, give him a verbal lashing and delete or edit that post, por favor.
Many a lurker ... uh... lurks. |
dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
Magic spinx please understand that this is not a place for people to ask for secrets and methods.
If you would like to learn magic however,I am sure there are people in the Café to point you in the right direction. |
IllusionJack Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
There is absolutely no way anyone will ever figure out how DC does that vanish, or virtually any other part of the "Island" illusion, without going and working for the show itself. There are so many things working together there from so many priniples of magic that it's just amazing and wonderful!
So - those who have worked for DC and know the secret won't tell you (not only because they are legally bound not to but also for respect of the "magician never tells the secret" philosophy) and those who have only seen the show and think they know - don't know! --Jack |
Magixspinx New user 86 Posts |
Iam sorry...
I see posts in this forum where gimmicks are exposed.. for example, the Peter Marvey gimmick and no one said anything against that. I have a few illusions with deceptive bases, so I know what Iam talking about. The trick I mean is where before he appears on the beach, he vanished in a plataform that comes from the stage above the spectactors head. Anyone? |
dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
You will realise that Discussions on the Marvey gimmick started not with "what is it?" or how does he do it. Further you are asking for secrets and positions downright which is not correct.
You say you have a few illusions with bases then you should not be asking for methods. |
Farrell Veteran user 371 Posts |
Dood deceptive base... do you think any lay person knows what that means? heck -no they don't know what deceptive base is... they can look at an illusion and it could be HUGE and they won't know cuz they haven't studied magic magic sphinx you're fine to discuss a deceptive base I think. because magic ids BASED on DECEPTION
I will also add this how many lay people come to this site saying. "gee what I feel like today is some good magic exposure. I don't like magic and want to find all my answers on the internet. maybe I'll go to THE Magic Café. Then I can bring those magicians Down!" How many Non- magicians have heard of this site. I would never divulge secrets out in an all can read forum. but saying Deceptive base is not a problem. |
dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
Farrell I am confused by your post. Do you honestly think Magic Cpinx should be doing this?
People are not that stupid. |
Magixspinx New user 86 Posts |
Talking about deceptive base to a lay people, they don´t have idea about what we are talking about.
dsilverfield, perhaps you think they do because you know what a deceptive base is. I don´t believe they see the magic Café as an exposure forum... Iam sure they don't Regards |
Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
There is a area of the Magic Café where they discuss secrets more freely. If you don't have access to it yet, it is because you haven't made enough legitimate posts yet.
Also, just because we are fellow magicians / illusionists, does not mean that we have earned the right for others to tell us any secret we wish to know about. Not every magician / illusionist has to know about every secret, especially just because we are curious. (You didn't really give a legitimate reason for wanting to know Copperfield's method. It came across as curiousity.) Sometimes its better to just enjoy being mystified and don't ask for explanations. - Donald. P.S. Magixspinx - please don't tell us that you are talking about deceptive bases in front of lay people. Please tell us, as a fellow illusionist, that you have more common sense than that.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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brandonford1982 Veteran user 304 Posts |
I think that this Café is for magicians to help other magicians. If some one is reffering to a secret or method, that should be discussed one on one in a PM (private Message) or wait until you gain access to the secured section of this forum. I understand both sides and I am not taking one. However for the safety of kepping magics secrets a SECRET we should be using the PM or the secured section. Anyone agree?
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Donald Dunphy Inner circle Victoria, BC, Canada 7563 Posts |
"Blessed are the peacemakers!"
Yes, I can agree to that suggestion. - Donald.
Donald Dunphy is a Victoria Magician, British Columbia, Canada.
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dsilverfield Special user 752 Posts |
And I second it.
Magicspinx: If you havent realised it, people don't think you, me or even DC for that matter has supernatural powers. They know that there is a secret. Many are curious, some are more inquisitive and a majority like to be entertained so they leave it at that {thankfully cos otherwise magic would have been dead long ago}. BUT NONE ARE STUPID. |
Magixspinx New user 86 Posts |
I know lay people aren´t stupid...
I think that while talking about a deceptive base its is like saying "TT", rather than T**** T**, they don't know what it is... I will post this in the secret part of this forum when I have acess to it. What I think is that magicians should talk about secrets, reveal, learn with each other... Of course, in the right place at the correct hour, so I will post this question later in the reserved section. If magicians are too much reserved about secrets, magic will never go forward. We must have ideas, improve them. Of course method is important, but presentation is all. I don't mind to talk about the illusion privetely... so I would like someone able to help me. And that help isn´t saying the secret, but is applying such method in order to create new illusions. For example the Origami illusion has a new twist on the principle talked here. So perhaps the best thing is moderators to close this topic, and I will post it under the secret forum when I have enough posts. Regards |
Farrell Veteran user 371 Posts |
Lay people don't know anything about magic... they don't. they may not be totally dumb. but when it comes to magic and methods. they don't know what's goin on. that's why when the masked magician revealed a lot of things it was in ways that ere stupid and impractical allowing magicians to use the same effect to fool people who have seen it exposed. Lay people don't have any idea what is going on for a number of reasons.
1)if you didn't study computers and some one was talking to you about Ram and Gigs and crap would you know what that means... NO 2) just like computers we have our own names and stuff for things. if you said Pass everytime you did one do you think the audience would associate the word Pass with what it is? they wouldn't because they don't know what that means. 3) the element of suprise is what makes magic the best and it's what helps misdirection to work. if an audience knows what is going to happen then you give up a lot of leverage and they are at this point trying to catch you because they are "in the know." not of magic but of what is happening. 4) Deceptive base. hedk a lot of magicians don't know what that word means. and you know what. Lay people I promise you have no idea. and even if you were watching some one and was to tell them right there. what was happening they would say it isn't possible. lay people are not iddiots. but they do lack the training and philosophy and study to understand what the magician's methods are. P.S. TT and Deceptive base are rediculous to compare. because. well honestly. lay people know what that means. even if they don't know it's being used. |
JohnDoh New user 85 Posts |
True, yet don't underestimate them. When I first heard someone talking about a deceptive base, it became quite clear what they were talking about. Laypeople aren't dumb, and PMs are available for a reason.
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IllusionJack Veteran user Las Vegas, Nevada 376 Posts |
I can tell you that prior to really delving into how magic works with serious intentions on learning it, learning methods, and performing... I had absolutely no clue how magic tricks worked. This went from small tricks done close up to full illusions.
No idea! And even with an intense interest and an intent to perform illusions, it took some time to track down the sources on just how they worked. When I bought my first deceptive base, I was amazed that it worked even when I knew how! Now, it is a little easier for me to figure things out, after several years of reading up and observing various methods. But, every once in a while, I'm still fooled! I just don't have the best brain for figuring out all the details, so sometimes I still get to experience that feeling of being fooled by an illusion - even if I know a couple of the parts, but not the whole puzzle! So - I think it is safe to say that most people don't look at the performances and guess how it is done. However naturally, talking about the methods and such would inform them of how things are done, whether or not you use jargon. It's probably also safe to say that not too many non magicians, if any, are really in here reading these posts. Even as a magician I didn't find out about this board right away... but in general, there are better forums for direct discussion of secrets, where one would find out considerably more. My experience is that magicians have no problem talking about secrets and methods with others who are interested in learning them for the purpose of performing them. --Jack |
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