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Disappointed to hear your experiences dealing with Nicholas CopperChopCup. That is totally unprofessional behavior.

Seems his business is still very young to have already had "a few CUSTOM orders that slipped through the cracks".
I've run my own (non-magic) business for over 35 years and I can't recall allowing any clients to slip through the cracks. Nicholas's attitude seems to be that he will do anything that in his belief should make you happy, but if you're still not happy then F you.

In the time it took him to write that last post of his I wonder how many Revamp's he could have made, or emails he could have answered. He seems never to be too busy to respond to criticism.

If he would only return emails or deliver orders as fast as he jumps on the Café to post rebuttals after anything he deems as negative is posted about him, there probably wouldn't be anything negative posted about him!
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The trouble is with Nicholas he is without a doubt a genius creator there is no question about it . However unfortunately he has an even bigger ego and that massively lets him down and Bill is right he can’t take criticism . I would love to see him try to bash me down at a convention , so CopperChopCup don’t worry about him at all Gaz 😊
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I made one of these gimmicks using real bills and it took me about 45 minutes, and I know I'd get faster with more experience.

I believe that I read that he charges $50 each, netting him an easy profit of $40 each.

If I was him, I'd get my butt moving and make over $600 a day and $4,000 for a 12 hour, 7 day week, sitting home listening to Radiohead and smoking weed (his "13" tattoo gives that away) all day until the demand ran out.

If I was him.

But I'm not him.

PS- Maybe his "13" means he's an unlucky guy.

No, I'll stick by my original statement.

I know the significance of that.

I have it also, along with spider webs on my elbows- one web for every year that I spent in prison.

And 6 girls names crossed out on my bicep, in addition to 16 Ace of Spades; one for every guy that I'm sure that I killed in Vietnam.
Jack Straw from Wichita, cut his buddy down
And dug for him a shallow grave, and laid his body down
Half a mile from Tucson, by the morning light
One man gone and another to go, my old buddy you're moving much too slow
We can share the women, we can share the wine
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Most of the time they are not the best business people at the same time. I wouldn't think it's a gamble..it's a fact.

a good person doesn't make them a good business person.

Nicholas is a decent guy but that doesn't mean his customer needs to wait for him to resolve his personal issue in order to get something that is already paid. A deadline is set in place already.


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On Jan 29, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The only problem is some of the best creators don’t sell their products to dealers so you have no choice other than to buy the product from them direct . So that’s the gamble you take and the choice you make if you want something badly enough Gaz 😊
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From what I can see, he probably thinks his time is worth more than $50. so he is actually doing you a favor by "making time" to make the gimmick for you.


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I made one of these gimmicks using real bills and it took me about 45 minutes, and I know I'd get faster with more experience.

I believe that I read that he charges $50 each, netting him an easy profit of $40 each.

If I was him, I'd get my butt moving and make over $600 a day and $4,000 for a 12 hour, 7 day week, sitting home listening to Radiohead and smoking weed (his "13" tattoo gives that away) all day until the demand ran out.

If I was him.

But I'm not him.

PS- Maybe his "13" means he's an unlucky guy.

No, I'll stick by my original statement.

I know the significance of that.

I have it also, along with spider webs on my elbows- one web for every year that I spent in prison.

And 6 girls names crossed out on my bicep, in addition to 16 Ace of Spades; one for every guy that I'm sure that I killed in Vietnam.
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Exactly he thinks he is doing everyone a favour making the effects and charging such a paltry sum . So why bother advertising the effect in the first place then and just go and do something that earns you more in the same time Gaz 😊
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I'm glad your not my business advisor....thinking $40.00 each is a paltry sum for one hour of work. Also, apparently you didn't even read your own post correctly since you did say that it's impossible that 99% of his customers are happy as I pointed out to you and you so conveniently skipped over, lol...

Videoman,thank you for your service and may God bless you!!

Though I'm sure Nicholas is not putting $40 gross in his pocket, surely he has to pay taxes as well.
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I really don't want to defend anyone here by posting this but, from a purely logical standpoint, saying that the statement "99% of people are happy with your service" is wrong is definitely not equivalent to "99% of people are not happy with your service"... it just means that the figure 99% is wrong... (or at least saying that the figure 99% is wrong is enough to say that the statement "99% of people are happy with your service" is wrong). So for example it could be 98% are happy with your service... or 90%... or 70%... or 10%... which was Gaz's point... that 99% couldn't be true.

Again... not commenting on whether it's true or not, just on what that statement meant... (imho)

I think people (including myself by the way) have made their point on the fact that Nicholas has made some mistakes in the way he has handled some orders and probably also in the way he has behaved towards some of his customers but shall we maybe try to not make it another 10 pages of saying how bad Nicholas is? Smile He said he made some mistakes, he made it up to quite a few people (and fine some people might still be upset) but I think he understood that, although apparently a lot of people HAVE been happy with their customer experience (and let's not debate numbers here because it's just impossible to know for sure), some people have not (same comment) and hopefully he'll make sure it doesn't happen again. But another 5, 10 pages of that would just start to feel like harrassment to me, no? I mean up to you guys of course, everyone is obviously free to post whatever they want Smile I just feel people have made their point by now Smile
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Thanks Ben for explaining to RNK ie Bob exactly what I meant it’s basic logic and also basic humour / sarcasm . It’s obvious he would love to earn £40 to £80 per hour making gimmicks so the joke is he is earning more through performing and his other ventures ( that’s a joke Bob of course he is not ) . Nor is he getting enough orders to make this his full time job so he is doing what a lot of magicians do and doing a bit of both . The problem is with that type of juggling you have to get the balance just right as otherwise you end up with all your projects suffering as a consequence . Best wishes Gaz 😊
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Well put goldeneye.
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But another 5, 10 pages of that would just start to feel like harrassment to me, no? I mean up to you guys of course, everyone is obviously free to post whatever they want Smile I just feel people have made their point by now Smile


I agree goldeneye and I have no desire to make any further comments on this.
However, I will say that regarding your comment about it feeling like harrassment towards Nicholas, I would remind you that what Nicholas did to CopperChopCup was blatant harrassment, so I'm not feeling too bad if Nicholas gets a bit of his own medicine. He deserves it IMO.
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I feel that there's a responsibility one should accept as a business owner or vendor and a line that shouldn't be crossed to maintain professionalism, however, the way in which CopperChopCup was treated not only crosses the professionalism line, but stoops to an inexcusable low. That was simply disgraceful treatment - it's shameful harassment, intimidation and bullying - calling that out as unacceptable is the right thing to do.
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But another 5, 10 pages of that would just start to feel like harrassment to me, no? I mean up to you guys of course, everyone is obviously free to post whatever they want Smile I just feel people have made their point by now Smile


I agree goldeneye and I have no desire to make any further comments on this.
However, I will say that regarding your comment about it feeling like harrassment towards Nicholas, I would remind you that what Nicholas did to CopperChopCup was blatant harrassment, so I'm not feeling too bad if Nicholas gets a bit of his own medicine. He deserves it IMO.

Fair enough regarding CopperChopCup I just feel it doesn't need to go on and on and on! Smile
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Thanks Ben for explaining to RNK ie Bob exactly what I meant it’s basic logic and also basic humour / sarcasm . It’s obvious he would love to earn £40 to £80 per hour making gimmicks so the joke is he is earning more through performing and his other ventures ( that’s a joke Bob of course he is not ) . Nor is he getting enough orders to make this his full time job so he is doing what a lot of magicians do and doing a bit of both . The problem is with that type of juggling you have to get the balance just right as otherwise you end up with all your projects suffering as a consequence . Best wishes Gaz 😊



Not basic logic and humor or sarcasm when you make a false statement in regards to someone's character when you have no personal experience or knowledge if it's true. It's more along the lines of childish and immature which judging by your back and forth posts with everybody on the Café makes sense.
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I agree goldeneye and I have no desire to make any further comments on this.
However, I will say that regarding your comment about it feeling like harrassment towards Nicholas, I would remind you that what Nicholas did to CopperChopCup was blatant harrassment, so I'm not feeling too bad if Nicholas gets a bit of his own medicine. He deserves it IMO.

Fair enough regarding CopperChopCup I just feel it doesn't need to go on and on and on! Smile [/quote]

I agree that this has been discussed ad fundum. However if anyone still want to continue bashing I highly recommend the thread about the customer service of Blake Vogt.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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I agree goldeneye and I have no desire to make any further comments on this.
However, I will say that regarding your comment about it feeling like harrassment towards Nicholas, I would remind you that what Nicholas did to CopperChopCup was blatant harrassment, so I'm not feeling too bad if Nicholas gets a bit of his own medicine. He deserves it IMO.

Fair enough regarding CopperChopCup I just feel it doesn't need to go on and on and on! Smile


I agree that this has been discussed ad fundum. However if anyone still want to continue bashing I highly recommend the thread about the customer service of Blake Vogt. [/quote]

Smile Maybe The Magic Café should dedicate its own section to customer service bashing Smile (and praising?)
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I'll leave it at this...You're almost always better served buying from dealers than creators. I've had numerous bad experiences over the years buying directly from creators and vowed to never do it again. The only few exceptions I will make are for creators who have been verified by other Café buyers that they provide good service and communication.
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On Jan 30, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
Thanks Ben for explaining to RNK ie Bob exactly what I meant it’s basic logic and also basic humour / sarcasm . It’s obvious he would love to earn £40 to £80 per hour making gimmicks so the joke is he is earning more through performing and his other ventures ( that’s a joke Bob of course he is not ) . Nor is he getting enough orders to make this his full time job so he is doing what a lot of magicians do and doing a bit of both . The problem is with that type of juggling you have to get the balance just right as otherwise you end up with all your projects suffering as a consequence . Best wishes Gaz 😊



Not basic logic and humor or sarcasm when you make a false statement in regards to someone's character when you have no personal experience or knowledge if it's true. It's more along the lines of childish and immature which judging by your back and forth posts with everybody on the Café makes sense.


I do I have loads of Nicholas Lawrence effects and I have already pointed out he is a genius along with Mickael Chatelain when it comes to creativity . I just don’t stand for bullies in life and no one bullies me face to face ever and I will stand up for my fellow Café friends as well if I see that happening it’s as simple as that . No one scares me and they never will . Anyway I will leave this thread alone now as Bob is boring me Gaz 😊
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Well put, I agree, and great advice for anyone to follow.

So how about those new magic tricks that just came out...


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I'll leave it at this...You're almost always better served buying from dealers than creators. I've had numerous bad experiences over the years buying directly from creators and vowed to never do it again. The only few exceptions I will make are for creators who have been verified by other Café buyers that they provide good service and communication.
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
~Daniel J. Boorstin
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