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Ron Reid
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Hello:

I recently bought the video and have a question for anyone who does Bob Sheets' "It's the Rules" routine: Doesn't the audience know that you are somehow manipulating the dice to show different numbers?

I've been working on the routine, and have it down well (At least I thought I did) and have tried it for two people. They both said that they knew I was secretly turning the dice around.

So, I'm just curious about others' experiences. I really want this routine to work because it's angle proof, there's no gimmicks to hide, etc. Before I go back and try to correct my technique (which I thought was good), I'd like to know if others are having success with this.

Is it really a fooler? Thanks. BTW...one of the people I showed was my ex-wife (doesn't like magic a whole lot).

Ron
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Hey,
I do this routine all the time and get good reactions from it. They will think you are moving them somehow but they can't figure it out. The amazing part is that you can change them without them seeing you do the move. It is a very strong routine and the more you do it the better you get. Every person I do this for just love it.

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Thanks for the response, Bradley!

Ron
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I use part of it in another routine (my dice under cup) in that I only use one die. In a routine such as this one they must know that "something" is happening but it's such a tongue-in-cheek presentation that they don't care how you do it it's just fun.

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I use this all the time. Probably my most performed trick.

I find that just as they are working out that you must be manipulating it, you get to the Phase that proves you are not, "Nothing moves, nothing changes, and now...." Followed immediately by a jaw dropping visual change right in front of them.

Love it.

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What's the difference between this and the Carl Andrews routine "Pair-o-Dice".

If I remember correctly, "It's The Rules" is one of the lines he uses over and over again in his routine and I wasn't too thrilled about the presentation.

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Ya his routine, only Bob could get away with.LOL

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I use Bob's dice routine for strolling all the time.

Kids, adults, couples, families, they are enjoy it.


Ron- When I first started the routine I was getting caught too, but I found after time those people started to disappear.


What size dice you using Ron?
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"What's the difference between this and the Carl Andrews routine "Pair-o-Dice"."

Frank - I imagine not a lot. The Carl Andrews book I have: Magic from Maui is really just other people's tricks with the odd kicker ending. All solid stuff just nothing original.

I've read the routine with dice in hand and it's always seemed to me to be pretty obvious that one is merely turning the dice. Maybe if I saw someone good do it....?

The whole finger twizzle thing always feels uncomfortable. Any tips?
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Bob's routine has a different grip and move to any other I've seen. This allows you to use much bigger Dice.

What can I say. This is my most performed effect. I Always have a pair of 16mm dice in the ticket pocket of my jeans, and use 1 inch dice all the time in my bar.

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It is kinda difficult to get the hang of. Certainly in front of an audience. I have practiced in front of an audience by just using one die after a little routine I do to predict the numbers - 14 - on both sides. Most people do not know that the top and bottom of the die equal 7. When you do the prediction by showing them the top and bottom of the dice and then say 14 they are really surprised. They don't know. Don't assume they know, because most folks don't.

When I first started doing this I was more surprised then the spectators were that they didn't know the top and bottom equaled 7.

As far as them knowing you are flipping the dice, well, how else would you do it? I mean, they know that it's not "real" magic. It's a funny bit.

If you perform it the way Sheets does - keep the patter and dice rolling - the audience won't care how you're doing it they will just be entertained and everyone will have fun.

There is always going to be someone in the background saying, "Oh, I see how he's doing it."

If you hesitate when you perform this trick you will will be providing the audience with a lesson. So, make sure you have it down before you perform it or only perform the parts you know.

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I have been doing the Sachs Dice routine, with the Vernon Dice Climax for over 30 years, always to, as they say, "thunderous applause".

Mike Skinner featured it with Casino size dice and always wowed them.

I don't know the Sheets routine, but I can vouch for Sachs. If Sheets is similar, then it may be your style. I can honestly tell you that I can't count on one hand the number of times someone offered a solution to this that made sense. They DO look for moving parts, but no one has solved the mystery correctly in as long as I can remember.

The position of the dice in your hands, the speed with which you do the move (go slow), etc. all contribute to the success of the material. Also, by following the Sachs Routine with the Vernon Climax, you put them on another path before they have time to concentrate on the methods for the first effect.

By the way, you can also adapt the Vernon routine so that it segues into a production of four dice, followed by the Malini/Bey Chink-a-Chink in Stars of Magic. If you do this, be sure to do the ENTIRE Malini/Bey routine. Most guys leave out the final production of more dice from the pocket. This is a BIG mistake. I produce a dozen dice at the end, and it drives the spectators nuts!

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Thanks for the responses, so far - more are welcome!

James: I'm using 1 inch dice; they're the ones that Bob Sheets sells with the video.

Ron
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You may find that you want to use a smaller dice for a bit.


I know some people won't be able to see what you are doing, but you will be able to perform the trick with less worry about somebody saying you are doing something funny with your hand.


I did Bob's routine with regular store bought dice for a couple months before moving up to the big dice.

Just some food for thought.
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I'd also recommend using casino "razor edge" dice if possible. Dice with rounded edges are great for carrying in one's pocket, but they can slip when you're learning.

For those of you who know the routine, my record toss behind me on the "Excuse me?" line is thirty feet. Smile
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Nice, but have you taken out a waitress with a tray of food with the same instance of the routine?

Lets just say she was not impressed with the trick...
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I'm working on the sachs routine as found in 'classic secrets of magic'. If Bob Sheets has a different "move" in his 'It's the Rules' I would buy the DVD. Can anyone else confirm?

I also am happy to hear a person can move onto the big dice after some time with the handling.

The few people who've see me do sachs routine (the 1st phase) give a look back of surprise.

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On 2004-06-18 13:47, James Harrison wrote:
Nice, but have you taken out a waitress with a tray of food with the same instance of the routine?

Oooohhh...that beats me. Smile
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On 2004-06-18 22:56, stephen secret wrote:
I'm working on the sachs routine as found in 'classic secrets of magic'. If Bob Sheets has a different "move" in his 'It's the Rules' I would buy the DVD. Can anyone else confirm?

I also am happy to hear a person can move onto the big dice after some time with the handling.

The few people who've see me do sachs routine (the 1st phase) give a look back of surprise.

sincerely secret.


It is stated in the Sheets video that the move is different. Bob says so in the clip.

I don't know the Sachs routine so I cound't personally say but I have the Sheets video so I can say what he says...kinda? "Who said that?"

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Thank you John for the info on Sheets and his different move.

Just yesterday as I was doing phase one of the Sachs routine another Magician said "all the counting (fourteen on a pair of dice, ect.) confused me". Has anyone doing the Sachs routine come up against this?

Sincerely Secret.
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