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Bradley Morgan
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With the sheets routine I have had no problem at all. It just plays really well and you can skip any faze you don't want to do or if you need to go.

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Yes Brad I now am looking at the patter a little differently. Keeping the lines I like and letting the person I'm showing lead where I go with what I say.

Ordering the Sheets DVD this week.

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Does Anyone have any suggestions on a source for dice. I have casino dice and they are too big for me to do the "Sach's Move" more that once. they get out of position.

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Try your local hobby or gaming store. They usually have six-sided dice that are smaller than casino dice but larger than the Bicycle brand dice you can buy in most any supermarket.
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Does Anyone have any suggestions on a source for dice. I have casino dice and they are too big for me to do the "Sach's Move" more that once. they get out of position.


Iƒ you keep practicing you should be able keep them from moving around. I do the trick with 1 1/2 inch dice. About the size Bob uses in the video. I have small hands too.

I buy all my dice from:

http://www.gametablestore.com/display/scat/price/114.cfm

They also have sharp cornered dice in smaller sizes, and you can get them in white with black spots. (The spots are easier to see.)

Have fun with the trick. It's great.

Joe
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Ron,

I am going to have to say it is your technique.

You just need more practice and perhaps and understanding of the concept. What I mean is this: Of course you are moving the dice, that is the only way, but in the routine are places where you have "pre-moved the dice" so when you go back, nothing is moving. Then on the off beat, you do the move to set up the next change.

Perhaps if you used one die only for a while it would be easier for you. Also this enables you to use three different moves to effect the change.

All in all, give it the practice it deserves and you will be rewarded with a great routine and the reactions it deserves. If you can find someone near you who performs it, perhaps they can review your technique.

Best of luck.

Kirk Grodske
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Since you said back on 6/24 that you were buying the Sheets routine, Stephen, this attempt at slight clarification might come a little too late to have any impact on your decision, unless you're as slow getting things done as I usually am. And in any case, the Sheets routine is definitely worth the money. But in terms of the difference between the Sachs and Sheets approaches that you ask about above, which I couldn't see that anybody had yet really addressed, to put it as briefly as I can and yet as cryptically as I gather I am to put such things in this kind of context here, in the Sachs routine, the dice themselves are secretly moved; in the Sheets routine, your grip on the dice is what changes.
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Ron, you should contact Scott Alexander for his handling and patter ideas performing this dice routine?

It was a sheer pleasure to watch and listen as his words went in tandem with the movements. I admired the synchronicity more than anything else?

He loves performing this and suggested that it his favourite sequence out of everything in his arsenal.
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Bob has brilliant thinking on this and he gives you all the jokes and routining. I added some of my own stuff here and there. It plays (with the large dice) to a room of about 75 people really well. I used to do it in the Secret Pagoda at the Magical Empire. It's also great for strolling. No fuss, no muss...just pick up the dice and your off.

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I just started doing the Sheets routine and it's great. For the few people that I've done this routine for, The response is great. The handling is easier than the usual method for the sach's routine.
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Hi Ron,

I've seen Bob Sheets perform this and wasn't impressed with the effect enough to buy it. I could watch Bob for hours (and have) but didn't find the magic was strong. At most it came across as a puzzle, not magic. Or maybe the switching was too perfect, but it seemed more like juggling than magic. Now that fits some magicians personalities, but not everyone's. Not mine, and I knew the patter wasn't going to be anywhere near the way I perform or work for my kind of audiences. Other kinds, certainly. But not those I market myself too. So, Ron, perhaps the effect doesn't work with your personality.
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I think both versions have pros and cons, but I think Daryl has a much smoother performance then this man.

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I wish you could see Gene Anderson (Mr.NEWSPAPER MAGIC)do the Sacks routine!

About 35 years ago, I was in Milwaukee, Wisconsin at State Fair time. I still had sawdust in my shoes, so I spent an evening on the lot. I've forgotten who "had" the sideshow. but the late Mel Burkhart was doing his anatomical wonder act, the blockhead, and also magic. I didn't know Mel, but his name was well known to carnies (especially those who worked the back end). Like most sideshow magicians he did about 10 minutes. His "big" number was the Sacks dice routine, with a pair of dice about 3"!!! It was good! It was a busy night, and I didn't want to get in the way, so it was just a quick hello.

About 15 years ago, I had spent half a winter in Florida and enroute north, I stopped in Gibtown (Gibsonton) which is home to carnies. I tracked down Mel in a town nearby. We spent a very pleasant afternoon cutting up jackpots,and he brought out the dice for me. His style was typical of side show magicians ("razzle dazzle")but he sure knew his way around that trick. (3"!!!)
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Sheets and the others are doing the Dr. Sack routine from" Classic Secrets of Magic", not original Sacks' routine from" Slight of Hand".
Melvin Burkhart originated the move with large dice.
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I believe it was Jim "Million Dollar Mysteries" Lewis that taught Bob the Sach's routine.
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On 2013-02-28 16:29, Zombie Magic wrote:
I believe it was Jim "Million Dollar Mysteries" Lewis that taught Bob the Sach's routine.


Yes, James Lewis produced a VHS tape of the Dr. Sack Routine about 20 years ago. It's the one I use. I find that with 3/4 inch non- casino dice the moves can be performed without detection. The moves are more obvious with larger dice. Although Bob Sheets does a wonderful job with his routine.
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