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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Hi folks,
I have a pretty good strike double lift, but I don't yet have a feeling for how to pick up a triple. I'd *like* to have such a feeling because (1) Triple lifts can be useful, and, more importantly, (2) If I can learn to do strike triple then presumably my strike double will become more consistent. The answer may simply be, "just practice both a lot," but I'd welcome any advice. Thanks, Bob |
magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Where did you learn you Strike Triple?
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
I didn't. I learned the strike *double* from a bunch of books and videos (hard to remember which ones -- the great news letter Inside Ed's head was one), along with generous people on the Café, and gradually adapted pieces into my handling. I bevel the deck just a bit and press my the tip of my right forefinger against the top right edge of the deck, and can (usually) feel that I've got two. I just assumed that something similar should be possible for a strike triple (???). But in my attempts so far, I more often get a double or quadruple. Grateful for any ideas.
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kShepher Elite user Washington, DC 470 Posts |
Bob,
Have you already mastered the standard triple lift with a break? K |
Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Hi Kevin,
No. But my pinky count is pretty good, and I've been practicing the *double* with the PC sometimes. Bob |
landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Just as you feel the difference between a single and a double, with time and practice you can feel the difference between a double and triple.
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Mb217 Inner circle 9519 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2020, landmark wrote: I have to agree here, as what it takes to get a good DL is also what it takes to get a good TL as well. You certainly don’t use the TL nowhere as much, but it’s a good 😌 idea to become comfortable with it as well. I developed a solid strike double first sorta by accident, but more instructionally from clever card & closeup man, Jonathan Kamm, and it’s just about the only DL I (a decent-at-best coin guy) ever use because it is just so fluid a move for me. I just put in good practice with it and been doing it ever since quite effectively. And to watch Kamm use it in his own amazing real world magic, is to see how darn good it is. What’s great is that the TL is pretty much done the same way, you just have to get the feel of it. But since you usually don’t use it as much, it doesn’t always stay with you like the strike DL seems to. The DL is complete muscle memory to me now, and while I can pull a decent TL as well, it is not without a seeming 2nd thought to it. I get It well enough, but not quite like the complete ease of pulling a double just on sheer impulse. So, there is no great teaching as to it, nothing much more than the good basics you already pull your strike double from right now, just keep practicing it behind the same mechanics and you’ll get it down good enough to summon it reliably for the ever-so-often that you’ll need it. If I can do it, you can do it too...Just stay after it every now & again as you practice things and she will come. 😉👍🏽
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jcroop Special user 771 Posts |
I found the strike triple easy to do from The Strike Locked Double System at Vanishing Inc (currently on sale for $12.50). It's not exactly a traditional strike lift as there is additional, but slight, movement with the left thumb on the other side of the deck. But I found that it really improved my triples. But like all strikes, you have to be able to estimate the number of cards.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Nov 23, 2020, Bob G wrote: Then just use the pinky count to create a break on 3 cards. As far as a strike triple, another way to do it is to do your regular strike double and then slide your right forefinger forwards or backwards along the edge of the pack and pick up a single card. And no, it isn't obvious to laypeople. Run the finger forwards or backwards and see which feels more comfortable and natural. In time, you can eliminate most of the sliding action.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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mattH Veteran user 324 Posts |
A small rightwards bevel helps me with the strike
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks, everybody!
Landmark and Mb, thanks as always for your encouragement. Mb, having watched the coin videos you sent me I can attest that you're far more than just a "decent-at-best coin guy." But your modesty well becomes you, as Shakespeare or somebody said. I appreciate the reference to the video, jcroop, especially because it's on sale. Tortuga, as usual you have interesting advice to offer. I'll give the sliding you describe a try. I've already mentioned that to you that you were one of the people who helped me turn a not-so-great strike double into a pretty decent one. I've corrected the way I hold the deck, lightened my touch, and am beveling far less than before. And MattH, like you, I do that bevel. I have a feeling that I still need to experiment with how much to bevel. Do you bevel by different amounts for doubles vs. triples? Funny, the last few days I'll mistakenly do singles and triples for a while before I settle into consistently getting doubles. Maybe my attempts at triples are temporarily messing up my doubles, who knows. But I'm excited -- this is by far the closest I've ever been to having a good DL. |
Stratton Magic New user New Jersey 35 Posts |
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On Nov 24, 2020, Bob G wrote: For what it's worth, back when I was trying to do strike doubles, I would have the same issue and intermittently get singles or triples if my groove was off. I eventually switched to doing a pinky count or (more often) the Paul LePaul DL, which I've found easy to adapt to triples. In any case, lots of good advice on on this thread already, so keep at it and you'll find what works for you! |
Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks, Stratton! I find that I take a long time to learn sleights, partly because I want to try a bunch of versions and see which ones work best for me. I'm looking at my copy of The Card Magic of LePaul; is the DL you use the Flip-over lift, p. 70?
Bob |
Gennovense Regular user 113 Posts |
I used to do the Strike, it was probably the first double I started doing until I came across this problem (among others) I recommend learning another doubles (Vernon Stars of Magic, Jennings double, or the Basic double lift). Knowing how to do a double should mean that you can actually do that under many conditions.
This time I think is better to just use a different double the entire routine. Feeling 1,2 and 3 cards seems unnecessary hard. Another option is the Master Pushoff by Andi Gladwin but that's a very frustrating sleight to learn. |
Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks, Gennovense. I'm with you on the Master Pushoff -- tried it a few years ago and couldn't get anywhere with it. Where can I find the Jennings Double? And I'm not sure what you mean by the Basic DL?
Bob |
Gennovense Regular user 113 Posts |
I meant the Larry Jennings Snap Double you can find it on Encyclopedia of Card Sleights and on Youtube. For the basic double I was using the terminology of Greg Wilson, on his DVD "Double Take" you can find many doubles and one of them is called the basic double. Jonathan Kamm also has a double that seems very good on his website.
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Bob G Inner circle 2830 Posts |
Thanks for the helpful clarifications, Gennovense.
Bob |
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