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Gary Alford
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MagicMarker - there is no word of untruth or exageration in the advert, I promise you. I have it. Unbelievable as it sounds it works.
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Where is it currently available. thanks in advance
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Hocus-Pocus.com

They are the exclusive dealer for this item
Mister MoLoToV
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Hey Guys,

Maybe just one other question. Is it worth the money if your not a worker, I mean, I do not do magic every week. But I am working on a program where I take a sort of casino night to people's home. So while they are enjoying themself with playing a little bit a blackjack or poker, I, at specific times, do a little magic at the table. Mostly selfworking, like "stolen cards" from Lenart Green, a cardtrick that uses the Gilbreath-principal, a close-up version of "fate" and some casinochip-routines with Joe Porper materials.

Now this looks like an exellent trick to do at the cardtable to, I could tell a beautiful story with this machine.

What do I mean? Well, it will take some time before, hopefully, I will be out with this pokernight-magic-act every week. Is it something you have to do a lot to be able to do it, because you say it is not selfworking. Is this something you have to put work in every day?

I hope you understand what I am trying to say here?...

Thx in advance...
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The Poker Machine would be an excellent item for the type of shows you are talking about. Regarding the need to do it often, you will stay sharper the more you use it.

I'll try to tell you a bit about it, without tipping the work. The trick does require some mental work on your part. The mental work is EXTREMELY simple, however, at first you may not feel confident about it until you see that final display. It actually took me about 1/2 hour to 45 minutes of working with the machine to grasp it fully when I first got mine many years ago from Al. That's the easy part.

Now, having done it for years, I am so confident with it that I don't even think about it. I guess the easiest way for me to describe this is to compare it to the Mother Of All Book Tests. That, too, requires a little mental work. Now, I haven't actually performed MOABT in over a year. But, I just recited the words and was 100% accurate. Even though I didn't need to, I checked myself against the instructions. The Poker Machine is similar to that. Once you get it, you are not likely to forget it. I would say it is more like riding a bicycle, which you never forget, as opposed to learning a foreign language which you will forget if you don't use it ocasionally.

So, no, you don't need to do it often to "keep" it. But, I think you'll find it's the kind of thing you'll carry with you often to show people when out. I, for example, have done single card revelations in offices, stores and even at the post office for a bunch of the clerks I know. And do single shot revelations on occasion will keep you sharp and build your confidence.

Hope that helps a little. Oh, and in case you didn't know, I the buy who did it on the recent L&L DVD's., so I have great experience with the little machine. I can proudly boast that it is exceptional simply because it is not my creation, so I'm not blowing my own horn. It is Al Stanger's and it is great.
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For the guy who posted that all the promo was fake and lie...you're wrong. As a former owner of the Poker Machine, I can tell you it's all true. I just don't perform the type of magic where it was usable...I'm more of a family restaurant/kid show kinda guy. That's the only reason I sold mine. It's magnificent in performance, and the person (Larry) who bought mine will probably use it all the time.

Steve
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Thx runawayjag, you made it clear where I was still not shure. I will order mine at hocus-pocus.

Thx for the great explanation.

When I get it, and have used it the first time, I'll post it here how it was...

cu guys...
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In the add it seems that the calculator is a TI-85. In most schools where I live the standard is the TI-83 or TI-84. Can the program be copied to either one of these later versions?
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Seen this link? Somewhat the same, isn't it?

http://www.anamorph.com/docs/ct/cards.html
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I'm just curious why, when you buy something this expensve, are you not given the complete secret so that, in case of total calculator memory loss, you can reset the darn thing yourself? Is it because the underlying secretis pretty simple and that once learned could be replicated in just about any similar calculator (think "knock-off products")? The way I understand things now, if for some reason this sits on your shelf and both sets of batteries "die" you are screwed and now just have an expensive paperweight. And therefore, in order to keep this operational, do you have to be constantly vigilant and keep changing batteries on a strict regimen?

With an item this expensive, why wasn't the secret "hard-wired" into the memory chips or an EPROM setting (similar to the BIOS program that comes hardwired in every computer?)

Just curious.

Mike
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This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto.

Eschew obfuscation.
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Mike,

The Poker Machine is supplied with a set of instructions to re-program your machine if for some reason the program is lost. It is very simple and only takes a few seconds. I hope this clears up any concerns.

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Paul Gross
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Paul Gross

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I can answer questions. First, it is nothing like the website puzzle. Not even close. Secondly, we were very concerned about piracy on this unit and even believe some have lifted it without permission. I am discussing a change to the program to avoid just that with Al shortly. We tried the honor system and I don't think it's working. Frankly, we should have known better with the some of the magic dealer community.

Yes, you can lose the program by allowing both sets of batteries to die. I warn of that in the manual. However, keeping just the button battery good will retain the program. The battery life of that battery is 3 years. So, the manual urges you to change that battery once a year whether it needs it or not. Much like a Smoke Detector. We never felt that was such a burden on anyone's convenience that it would be a problem.

The machine cannot "hard-wire" a program. As anyone who owns one will tell you, I am happy to re-set them and do so with a turnaround time of less than 24 hours. I included the re-set program in the instructions now so people didn't have to return it to me when they could get it back themselves. Of course, in the case of battery absence, it must come back.

Now, regarding the expense. I explained this in a thread a LONG time ago. First, I have to buy the machines, of course. Next, I give Paul a generous discount because he is a good dealer and properly promotes them. Next, and this is really important. I think it was Owen Magic that was the ONLY builder to pay Robert Harbin and his estate a royalty for each and every Zig Zag Lady they built, even with their structural improvements. Like Owen, I pay Al a royalty for each and every machine that goes through my hands. I have given a couple as gifts to people who have done me magical favors, like David Ben, and even then, Al gets his royalty and it is not a tiny amount. I think that's the ethical thing to do because he worked so hard at creating it. So, by the time I'm done with all those payments, I end up with about $35.00 per machine for each one I sell through Hocus Pocus. I end up with a little more on the ones I sell directly, but I also offer a discount to those who buy them directly from me, so it evens out.

Why do I do this? Because I think it's a GREAT trick and I hope magicians will own one and have as much fun as I have had with mine for nearly 10 years now. By the way, that's how old this concept is which pre-dates the website and anything else similar. Of course, we HOPE people don't steal them, but we can't do much about it, if they do. If you can believe it, I was actually offered six machines at wholesale price from one dealer! He evidently did not know he was offering them to the one who makes them. But, that's another story.

Paul Gross at Hocus Pocus is the ONLY dealer allowed to sell this. And, in that respect, he has purchased every one he sold directly from me. If you buy one from anyone else, except a used unit, you are buying a rip-off.

So, that's the story on the Poker Machine. Hope that helps.
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I bought this machine, and was so impressed I bought a back-up. However, I have a problem and want to see if it is shared by anyone else.

I am still in the process of learning how to use this machine. I treat it as if I am handling plutonium, slowly, instructions firmly in hand and with utmost care. That being said, in the past I have had to seek help to get the program running again. Tonight I was trying to change the batteries to keep the machine fresh, and again, I have lost the program. I must seek help again. This is a troublesome expense, but there are no choices.

Does anyone have this problem, i.e., that you work with the machine in dreadful fear of adverse consequences, and in spite of being extremely careful you lose the program and must solicit help? Frankly, I am very frustrated at the moment. I think this machine is the product of absolute genius, but I fear I will never be able to use it because one false step and you are doomed.

Gianni
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I have always been able to reset the machine using the reset process John lists at the end of the instructions. I have had no problems whatsoever. Works like a charm.

If you have the signed instructions, John will reset this for you once for free and later for a nominal fee.

Batteries should not be an issue since the program is maintained using lithium cells in addition to the standard batteries.
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Gianni,

If you want to return your machine, I can look at it. Of the over 1,000 machines I have sold, nobody has ever lost the program by changing the batteries. I only sold "backups" to a very few customer and remember most of them, so I do hope you bought it from Hocus Pocus, the ONLY authorized seller, other than me.

Be SURE the cover is on when you change batteries so you don't accidnetally press a key while doing so. Also, of course, be sure to change the lithium battery once a year whether it needs it or not.

If you want to send it back, I'll look at it and if it is an authorized purchase and I see a problem with it, I'll simply send you a replacement. I think those who own these will attest to my customer service. My turnaround time for re-sets (which aren't a frequent occurrence,) is 24 hours. Thanks.
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I can attest to the excellent customer servive that John provides. Top notch, and he ships fast, as well as packages the items very well to avoid any damages. You cant find a better person to deal with!
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John: I will return the machine to you for your review. I bought this machine from you directly in 2004, and I think you will be satisfied that this is the case. I appreciate any help on this.

I have tried to send you an email privately. I need your address to return the machine. Can you PM or email me with this info.

As to my "back-up", I bought this on eBay. How would one know if this is one of your original machines? To my knowledge, this was a bona fide resale. How does one protect all parties if a machine is sold second hand through eBay, or this Café, etc.?

Finally, Paul Gross states above that the machine is sold with instructions to re-program the machine if the program is lost. I cannot square that comment with your later explanation. Do purchasers now receive instructions on reprogramming the machine? If so, and I had these instructions, perhaps I could fix this problem myself.

To be clear, I am very happy to pay any reasonable fee for assistance with the machine or to secure the program and reward the inventor, distributor, etc. for their efforts. I want this point clear. I believe very much in providing the financial rewards deserved for creativity, and have never tried to circumvent this process. In short, I am happy to pay whatever it takes but I do want a product I can operate with reasonable security.

As to runawayjag's integrity and customer service, I thank you for but do not need testimonials. Whether he recalls or not runawayjag and I have had several dealings over the past years on a variety of products and every transaction was excellent.

Gianni
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Hi Gianni,

I will send you a PM with my address and you can send the machine to me. Yes, I do have problems with direct sales and knowing if they are originals. I do know that someone "lifted" the machine, so the instruction requirements are all I can ask for to document it came from me or Paul or is a used machine purchased from one of us. The new machines now have serial numbers recorded and a signed sheet in the instructions....no sheet, no service.

And, yes, there have been a few upgrades to the instructions, including a new routine by Gaetan Bloom. When I get your machine, I'll be sure you get the upgrades. Thanks. PM is coming.
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I wish that I had bought my poker machine years ago.
It is a winner.

Peace,
Parson
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Hello Runawayjag, could you take a look at the post I did here:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......art=0#20

Thx in advance...
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