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porcupine Regular user Toronto 196 Posts |
Well I should be studying for the exams,... but that's another thing...
For Riffle Stacking, do you think that the brand of cards matter...? I've found that some cards, such as Aristorat, are generally thicker than Bikes and some such as Aviator are a little thinner. My question is, does it affect your riffle stacking..? When you practice with Bikes, Bees, or Tally Hos, will you be a little off when you use Aviators? or Aristorat..? or any other brands of cards..? Or is it pretty much all the same..? Cheers Ted Wu
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein
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J Wessmiller Veteran user VA 306 Posts |
Ted-
I find that it makes no difference. I practice with bikes and found in play that I have no problem with even bridge sized kem cards. be well, JW |
Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts |
There's certainly a difference. I agree with your post, Aristocrats and Aviators often cause problems. It can be darn difficult getting the correct hold with those cards, as they often stick together.
Bottomline, practice with different brands to get accustomed to it, but stick with your good cards; no reason to be using junk ones. Try doing it with Kem cards, that's a real treat .
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
It can affect your stacking because you need to get acquired with the new thickness and it can be difficult to feel or sense 4 or 5 cards.
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jcards01 Inner circle Waterloo, IL 1438 Posts |
I've never found it to be a major problem. Keep practicing with different cards.
If you become adept at riffle stacking, it is just a matter of toying with the cards you are using to get a feel for them.
Jimmy 'Cards' Molinari
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Pekka Special user Finland 560 Posts |
Isn't this similar problem than with Faro shuffling? First it is impossible with any cards, then you can do it with your cards, and after spending countless of hours on a completely useless skill you can pretty much do it with any deck, any place, any time.
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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
Useless skill?
If I had only ever to do 3 moves for the rest of my life, the faro would be one of them. The possibilities are endless.
"Your the Italian stallion" As said by my g/friend
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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
Regarding the faro - it isn't so difficult, I only used a few hours before I got the knack. Just get the grip correct
But what is the basics of a riffle stack? How does it work? I know (of course) that it's a riffle shuffle that stacks the cards into hand noX, but how do you control the falling of the cards so that they get stacked? PM anyone?
Samuel
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Kevin Ram Special user Travelling through Europe 791 Posts |
Riffle stacking is extremely difficult.
One of the most difficult moves possible with a deck of cards. You riffle down the deck and hold back cards by feel alone! Best resource is 'Darwin Ortiz At the Card Table' Check out his videos too.
"Your the Italian stallion" As said by my g/friend
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts |
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On 2004-06-14 16:57, Samuel wrote: There is no explanation. You just DO it. Stacks are hardly an intellectual-experience. You just practice holding back certain numbers of cards and laying them in. Making the shuffle look convincing is the next stage, and therefore the toughest...
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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Samuel Special user Norway 831 Posts |
Hehe, ok, get the point.
Sounds like lots and lots of practice - but is it worth it?
Samuel
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Mr. Z Special user 818 Posts |
Oh, I think so .
"...if you have to say you is, you ain't."--Jimmy Hoffa
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Fayaad Manie Loyal user 237 Posts |
The Faro Shuffle is far from being useless. It is one of the most valuable tools in card magic and one of the most used sleights in my repetoire. The Mathematics of the shuffle is absolutely ingenious.
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porcupine Regular user Toronto 196 Posts |
Okay. Thanks for the thoughts and responses. I've kept to practicing mostly with bikes since they seem to be the ones I use most. I haven't had a real problem with it, aside from that I'd have to look to be dead on when I use other 'stranger' cards.
o well, thanx... Cheers Ted Wu
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is not to stop questioning.” - Albert Einstein
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Pekka Special user Finland 560 Posts |
Regarding on the usefulness of a faro shuffle. I never said it was useless. I said all these skills are useless. Why don't I spend all this time and energy to study medicine or something. You know, useful stuff.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
There was a time when I put myself to great inconvenience to do certain things with certain brands of playing cards. Frankly, most of the brand preferences came from observation of other card workers and what brands they used for their routines. Later, I became comfortable with the concept that they may have simply been skilled at using whatever they had available.
I can remember in the 80s specifically avoiding Tally-Ho cards solely because an associate (known to all the rest of us as a conceited jerk) used them exclusively and made a big ceremony of it. As near as I could see that only put the pox on one brand. Later I did determine that there was really nothing inferior about Tally-Ho cards, only our associate. Of course, plenty of good magicians on the east and west coasts used Tally-Ho cards throughout that period without contracting our associate’s affliction. Our associate ultimately dropped magic for a field where his superiority would be clearly recognized. We never heard from him again. As I approach fifty years of working with cards, I do still have a favorite brand. I like the linen finish on the Eureka decks. To me nothing else handles as well. But I rarely use them. I do more card magic for magicians than lay audiences and that deck to them automatically telegraphs “marked strippers”. So I bow to ignorance and use something you could get in a drug store or WalMart. That’s because those are “real cards”. For poker size cards I use Bicycles from Sam’s at $6.74 for six decks. I actually prefer bridge size cards. Those I buy in cartons of twelve and get Aviators. I am happy with either of those for any routine. Today there is one brand that just doesn’t suit me and those are Bees. First I just don’t like the patterns on the backs. Don’t forget too that I am old enough to remember the term “steam boating” which in the trade once meant dealing seconds with Steamboat cards. These cards had no white margin on the backs (printed full-bleed). Dealing seconds was much harder to detect with these “cheater” backs and less skill was required. That stigma to me has not gone away yet. They also make a reversed card in a deck stick out like a horse in a dog race. Even more subjectively, they don’t seem to stay flat as well as others do. I never use plastic coated cards unless they are a borrowed deck. Those things just scare me. Among my other biases, blue backs seem better working than red backs. Having owned a printing business, I suspect there may be some real basis for that difference. In the printing business, blue ink is thinner on the paper than red ink. Put in the simplest of terms, a pound of blue ink prints more cards than a pound of red ink. Therefore, the amount of ink on a blue back is less than the amount of ink on a red backed card. However, there is another side to the cards and half of those are red! Possibly red-to-red behaves differently from red-to-blue sides. (Or perhaps, I’m still having problems from the bucking horses I didn’t ride as a young man instead of the ones I did.) This is a real bias to me. Given the choice, I’ll take the blue backs. In summary, today I believe that the brand of playing card within reasonable limits has about the same impact on the effectiveness of the magician and effect, as does the wattage of the bulb in the refrigerator. It’s majoring in the minors. Bob Magic By Sander |
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