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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
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On Jan 28, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: This statement confuses me. To me, the phrase "meant to be burnable" means that the invisible pass is "meant to be seen,." which is counter-intuitive. I am probably wrong, so could someone tell me what it means for a pass to be burnable?
So many sleights...so little time.
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EndersGame Inner circle Reviewer EndersGame 2196 Posts |
WhichDocChris is referring to the idea that your spectator can burn the deck with their eyes, not looking away, and not notice that you're doing the pass despite this close scrutiny.
His point is that this is a misconception, and that this isn't the main function of the pass. It's a move intended to be done with the help of some misdirection, and not something completely invisible and impossible to detect when your spectator's eyes are constantly and intently on the cards. So if you're trying to get to the point where you can do the move invisibly and undetected while your spectator `burns' the cards intently, you're trying too much, and using the move incorrectly. You should be combining the move with other aspects like misdirection, and not just the mechanics of your pass. |
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TeddyBoy Special user New York, NY 595 Posts |
OK, thank you, and very informative. Much appreciated.
So many sleights...so little time.
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Gennovense Regular user 113 Posts |
To be honest Akira Fujii's Pass is the best I've seen.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Many performers' passes look great at a specific angle in front of the camera. But in real-world surrounded situations, at multiple angles of view, no pass is quite as good.
If aspiring magicians spent their time learning fundamentals of misdirection instead of focusing solely on techniques that they erroneously believe allow them to eschew misdirection, they would be much better off.
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
I don't know that this is the trick the OP had in mind, but it is the one that matches the description he gave.
https://youtu.be/MJk6EWfVC4Y
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Apr 12, 2021, EndersGame wrote: There are many times when a pass is used and attention is drawn to the pack. Color changes, ambitious card and the effect from Jim Swain. There really is no "main function" of the pass, but rather, myriad uses, some of which are best misdirected but sometimes not.
It's never crowded on the extra mile....
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
As I understand it, the intended use of the Pass is either: To control a card or stock of cards from the middle to the top of the deck. Or, alternately, to take a card or stock of cards from one portion of the deck to another. The strength of the sleight is the ability to maintain a stock in a desired location.
Uses outside of these parameters may work, but with modern cards I very much doubt that the Pass is the most efficient choice of sleight for things such as color changes, ACR phases, or whatever this trick is that sparked the thread. I have yet to see a trick that absolutely requires the Pass. The reason the Pass was the King of Sleights, so to speak, for so long is because cards were not nearly so slick as they are these days. One had to move full packets around because there was little chance of being able to slide the cards around as we can today. In other words, it was popular because it was one of the only choices, so magicians basically turned it into a badge of pride.
Christopher
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: The pass has so many other uses. Controlling a card is only one of a multitude. And as far as tricks that absolutely require the pass, did you watch Jim Swain's effect? That requires the pass.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I have not seen it, no.
I never said that the pass didn't have other uses. What I said was I believe that there are almost always better choices for those uses. There are dozens of controls and probably thousands of color changes out there now. Playing card technology has evolved. The context of what made the Pass important is gone. Now it's just important because magicians tell other magicians it's important.
Christopher
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: Please take the time to watch the video. You will see what I mean. You are free to your opinion but the pass still has value as a modern-day card sleight. Many use it in their day-to-day work. Better choices is subject to debate. In most instances it is hard to find something more direct than a shift.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Having watched it, this is a prime example of a routine made for other magicians, and ironically very indicative of what I mean.
The routine is specifically constructed to show off his pass - so in that sense, yes, it does require the pass. Because this is just a display of the pass. Watching this with a laymen's perspective I would say that the handling is quite unnatural, and when he does his passes they are telegraphed significantly - largely because he is specifically trying to show off a move that is not meant to be burned. A laymen may not know what he's doing exactly, but they've got a good chance of knowing that the hand he's got awkwardly curled around the deck in preparation probably is taking that card somewhere.
Christopher
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Incorrect. Mr. Swain has performed this with great success for the paying public for many years.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: At least you are now aware of an effect that does require the pass.
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Ray J Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1503 Posts |
Derek Dingle also used to direct attention to the cards when doing a pass. He would say "I'm going to give the cards a little click", or something to that effect. When his pass was "on", it was very effective.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
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On Apr 13, 2021, magicfish wrote: I've seen plenty of magicians who made a living doing tricks that were clearly intended for magicians in the audience. I've also seen plenty of audience members looking at their watches, their phones, or falling asleep during a magician's show.
Christopher
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Perhaps you have. But not at a Jim Swain show.
Now, back to the Pass. |
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Indeed.
Here's another tip: Practice with the Major Arcana of a standard Tarot deck.
Christopher
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mightytimbo New user Franklin Park, NJ 49 Posts |
There has been a lot of debate on this thread about how a pass isn't meant to be invisible.
I have pushed back because I have seen it be just that and that's what I'm trying to develop. This is what I am trying to get my pass to look like: https://youtu.be/BRT2iJ0Rtk4 So it can definitely be invisible. But right now I would need a blanket to cover my pass. I'm just not sure what I need to work on to get better. |
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
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On Apr 14, 2021, mightytimbo wrote: I see the thief from 52 kards is at it again. This clown shouldn't be teaching anybody anything. |
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