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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
I've heard great reviews about the memorized deck by Joyal, but what about the tricks he has out? Are they any good? Are they similar to the style of Aronson or Tamariz, or all on their own?
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saturnin Special user Montreal, Canada 964 Posts |
HI,
Yes, the routines that are in the book are good, just find the ones that you like. Beware of people who might tell you that they heard they are not good, especially when they have not ever perform them, or worse, when they do not even own the book. Ronnie Lemieux -- Joyal Stack user. Montreal Canada
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
Are they stack dependent?
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captainshirquin New user 8 Posts |
Joyal's stack was designed to be easy to memorized. Aronson stack was designed with tons of features (special sub-stacks that let you do many tricks). Same thing with the Tamariz stack (one nice feature is that you can get to Tamariz from new deck order in a very short time). So it all boils down to the effort you are willing to put into the process, and if you want any built-in features.
If memorizing a stack is a huge undertaking, consider Joyal. Aronson uses peg words, which works well too. I memorized Tamariz without any mnemonic system (just memorize 13 a day, and one extra review day, and you know the stack in one work week!) One advice, read a few tricks/review before choosing, because you won't be able to change stack once you memorize one. Good luck!
Captain Shirquin
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
My question wasn't about stacks. I already know the Aronson and I'm happy with it. I'm looking for some good trick right now though, it will still be a few months before the Tamariz books are out.
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Kjellstrom Inner circle Sweden, Scandinavia, Europe 5203 Posts |
I recommend Poutpart Trick, very strong!
Some info about Joyal stack: http://www.mastermagic.info/articles.php?articleId=7 |
polstein Regular user 109 Posts |
Althought I currently have Joyal's stack memorized, I prefer the effects in Aronson's books.
The focus in Joyal's book is presenting a memorized deck that can be learned quickly - which he does very effectivly. What I like about Aronson's books are how he will explore an advanced concept with a stack (any stack will do), spend a while going over it, and then show how to use it for effects. Deeper stuff. His newer book (Try the Impossible) has a section on using his stack's built in effects, which is why I am thinking about switching to his deck. I'm also thinking about waiting for the Tamariz book before I make the decision. I take it you learned the Aronson stack w/o any of his books? Phil |
Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
I own every Aronson book except for The Aronson Approach and Sessions (which I don't think anyone even has). I like the stack but hardly use the built in features (i'm actually developing a routine with them right now). I don't mind not being able to shuffle into it since I would never do that anyway.
I like Aronson's material, but what I don't like is the fact that it's all pretty much mentalism. I like Tamariz's approach better who people like Pit Hartling have taken on (I don't beleive he has anything published stackwise, but he's showed me some of the coolest tricks). I would have read Tamariz's books already but I can't read Spanish. So right now I'm searching for some memorized deck work that is similar to that of Tamariz's until his books come out in English. |
saturnin Special user Montreal, Canada 964 Posts |
Captainshirquin wrote:
"one nice feature is that you can get to Tamariz from new deck order in a very short time" I beg to differ; This only applies if you use Fournier cards, with Bicycle cards the process is much longer (too long for me). And the main reason I personally do not use the Aronson stack, is because I do not care for its built-in features (as I can do them all FASDIU, I know as I have the book "Bound to Please"). Furhermore, if you read David Ranalli's original post, you will notice that he is asking about the routines in the book, not the properties of the stack. Now, To answer David Ranalli's second question, the routines in the Joyal book are stack independent (you can do them with any stack you want!). I also perform the Poupart trick (from Joyal's book) and like Kjellstrom said, it is indeed very strong. You might want to consider Steven Youell's lecture notes, as he also has a few good things with a memo deck. I guess you already have the A-1 videos with Tamariz and some memo deck routines... ("four of a kind" comes to mind) Ronnie Lemieux Montreal Canada
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marko Inner circle 2109 Posts |
Joyal's stack is probably the easiest and most practical memorized stack to learn that I've come across. The effects in the book, however, are not very impressive. I'd recommend looking into Aronson or Close's work for strong memorized deck material.
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Close.Up.Dave Inner circle Behind you! 2956 Posts |
Close's work is pretty good, I like it better than Aronson's since his is pretty much all mentalism. Is Joyal similar to Aronson? Should I hold off on the Joyal and just wait for Tamariz?
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John Born Veteran user 390 Posts |
Check out some of Ortiz's work in Scams and Fantasies.
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van Loyal user 276 Posts |
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On 2004-06-15 13:03, David Ranalli wrote: Have them both. Neither is for sale or trade. Sessions was co-written by David Solomon. Lots of gaffed card effects & coin effects, no mem deck work. Van
Later Ya'll
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