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doppelganger
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I really need some advice on good ways to get a coin in and out of the goshman pinch quickly and deceptively. if anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it.
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First off, it's Tenkai pinch. Where are you getting stuck using the moves in Bobo's?
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doppelganger
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What is the difference? I'm just using the termonology I know from jay sankey.
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Rofl... thanks. enjoyed that.

If you can wait a few months, I have a small book with some backclip stuff.

Citations for now: Modern Coin Magic, CoinMagic by Richard Kaufman, and a wonderful issue of Genii magazine from 1978, the Sawa issue where he makes extensive use of the pinch to change a silver dollar to ten dimes (wow!)

There are some who use the pinch in context of dice swithcing. Those moves for dice work fine for coins.
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doppelganger
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Thanks a lot, but I'm a little confused. are tenkai and goshman the same thing?
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Is the Tenkai pinch in the Bobo paperback? If so, where or what else is it called? I can't find it =(
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It isn't in the older version of the Bobo book, it's in New Modern Coin Magic, the expanded edition.
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Ah, that'd be why. Thanks. I guess I'll have to wait till Roth's Expert Coin Magic arrives (hopefully tomorrow) =)
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Actually, Sankey calls it both the Tenkai and the Goshman pinch on his Rev. Coin Magic DVD.
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As per the original question, other than the obvious misdirection with the clean hand, one other method is to bring the hand up (with the coin) in a sort of pointing fist position and clip it in this big motion. The index finger of the hand pointing toward the other hand. Mirror practice this a while.

Example: False transfer eagle quarter from right to left hand. Squeeze and raise left hand as you point at it with right hand. It is during this time where you get into pinch postion with right hand. Open right palm to show it empty. Close right palm into fist to match left hand (here you get out of pinch and deposit coin in palm, during the closing of hand, not difficult, just a little practice). A little hocus pocus and Eureka the coin has traveled on Eagle Wings.
Try it with a FQ and say that during the travel it gets hot and take a bite of it while still warm. Great little piece of magic.
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The fastest and best method I have seen to get into the Tenkai pinch is a method devised by scotty York.

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The move is one I find a useful "utility move" that leads to some great magic.

Even though seeing Mr. Goshman in the mid 70's led me to pursue coin magic, the move originally came from Tenkai. It is called both (I believe in the Bobo book)

It is anything as they say, a 21 year old can start to master after 29 years.

As they say about Carnegie Hall. Practice, Practice Practice.

You might try these things that helped me.

1. Do the move in extreme slow motion
2. Practice while watching TV.
3. Practice with music on
4. Get face to face help from a local person if possible.
5. You can get to the final location of the coin either through the fingers, or over the finger tips.
The latter is easier.(IMHO)

The longer I have been playing with coins, the more I realize I don't know. I am humbled by the wonderful things I saw at i.e. the Dessert Seminar (Back in 81) and the last IBM Convention in Kansas City.
We are also blessed with a new on the scene coin worker, Jason Dean. He is a wealth of knowledge of the newer stuff coming out.

It was sort of like going from a being a basement table tennis player, to meeting people that competed on a national and international level. I was playing ping pong.

Enjoy the journey.

Harris
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I prefer to forget the names and just call it a back pinch.
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...The fastest and best method I have seen to get into the Tenkai pinch is a method devised by scotty York...

I agree. Not sure it would be appropriate to post Scotty's method here, but if you email me I'll send a breif description.

Please, though, only Doppleganger if he's interested. I don't want to do this several times.

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Quote:
On 2004-06-16 21:16, Pete Biro wrote:
I prefer to forget the names and just call it a back pinch.


If you "perfer" to forget names then are you perfering to not give credit to the creators?

Just calling it a back pinch is not very specific. Since there are 7 different places on the back of the hand where you can hold a coin.

1. 1st finger back clip
2. middle finger back clip
3. Tenkai/Goshman pinch
4. Deep 1st finger back clip
5. Deep middle finger back clip
6. 4th or 3rd finger deep back clip
7. thumb back clip

Feel free to add any other places if you have an extra finger or something.

so just calling it "back pinch" and not knowing or perfering not to remeber the REAL name and/or who the creator is just plane lazy and uneducated to me
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Doppleganger -
I was having trouble with this as well. When I did the "Goshman pinch", as Sankey does on his RCM, I was having too much of the coin show. Try working it backwards (put the coin where it's supposed to end up, at the 45 degree angle), and notice where the coin is pinched between the two fingers. Pull the fingers in and notice where your thumb goes. Doing it backwards helped me with the finger position, and after weeks (months?) of practice, I can do it smoothly. Good luck.
Greg
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Pete Biro
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I happen to be very lazy as well as uneducated. Smile
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At least you're honest ;-)
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Start with the coin in position between the little finger and the forefinger. Your hand is held palm up for reference.
Relove the coin by rotating it between the forefinger and little finger to the back of the hand.
Now it is held on the back between the forefinger and little finger.
Release the part of the coin that is held by the forefinger and it will be now held in the clip position.
With the starting position, rear pinch and another coin laying on the palm between the forefinger and little finger, it is possible palm the visible coin while bringing the back pinched coin into view.
For example, changing a copper coin to silver.

Sorry that I did not explain this better.
It is a great move and I use it all the time.

Tom Wolf
The magic director and performer at the Rincon Gaucho supper club in Mexico City,

We opened the first and only close-up room for magic in Mexico with Wolf Ruvinskis.
have several new coin vanishes and routines to share shortly just as soon as I can find someone to film them for me.


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w i l s o
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I love this move, and thanks jim for the ideas on misdirection.
Where can we see the scotty york handling?
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