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On May 21, 2021, Michael Daniels wrote:

I don't have Silent Assistant, but I suspect that it will not work effectively with Just a Cup.



Correct! But the SA (with double-sided carpet tape) works WELL with this type of routine.

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On May 19, 2021, Chessmann wrote:
Silent Assistant works very well for this type of routine. A bit of double-sided carpet tape assures no 'woops' moments. This kind of thinking allows one to use virtually any cup, and some moves not possible with other cups.


I bought Silent Assistant strictly to use with Just A Cup! It took a little getting used to, but it works very well. As Kalix stated, it’s not quite as strong as the supplied gimmick, but it’s worth the extra practice, to be able to subtly show your hand empty, at certain parts of the routine.
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I do not get it! Why tape the gimmick to a fixed position? Why use something so stupid as a Sansmind toy!

Watch Alex instruction and try to understand why he is saying that the gimmick should be "loose".
No rings, no tapes unless in practice, not in performance!
Have you never heard of the term "holding out"?
And the need for practice.

You are missing the subtle points in this routining!

And yes, you can show your hands empty at certain stages in the routine. Watch the instructions. Alex shows it!

This so called improvements is the same reasoning as the so called magicians who try to find the, in their mind, perfect, closing, locking, magnetic, or whatever, so called "invisible" opening in their key ring in the linking rings. (Mine has, and for about 50 years, had a wide gap of almost 2 inches, with no trouble.)

Don't destroy this routine with stupid shortcuts! Practice!
Please!
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Can we at least show enough respect to get his name right, it is Axel.
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On May 22, 2021, videoman wrote:
Can we at least show enough respect to get his name right, it is Axel.

You are absolutely right, videoman! Personally I apologize!

Undschuldigung, Herr Hecklau!

And another way to show respect is not to simplify and tamper with Axel's creation!
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On May 22, 2021, videoman wrote:
Can we at least show enough respect to get his name right, it is Axel.

You are absolutely right, videoman! Personally I apologize!

Undschuldigung, Herr Hecklau!

And another way to show respect is not to simplify and tamper with Axel's creation!


I agree. It works best as is. I do like the ideas I have developed playing with it though. My Magic has improved because of Axel.

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On May 23, 2021, Thomas Walter wrote:
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On May 22, 2021, videoman wrote:
Can we at least show enough respect to get his name right, it is Axel.

You are absolutely right, videoman! Personally I apologize!

Undschuldigung, Herr Hecklau!

And another way to show respect is not to simplify and tamper with Axel's creation!


I agree. It works best as is. I do like the ideas I have developed playing with it though. My Magic has improved because of Axel.

Doug


Absolutely, Doug! Being influenced by ideas and developing your own things is an other matter. that's the way to go.
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I'm writing up a review of a number of products that use magnets to mechanically "create the magic."

The review will include: PK Ring, Event Horizon, Silent Assistant, and Blista.

My intention is to measure the gauss power of each device with a gauss meter that I had in my recording studio. The reason I'm posting here is that I'm wondering if including the JAC apparatus would be exposing the method. I lean toward YES. However, knowing the magnetic power of these devices might be useful to JAC owners. It also might be useful in determining "how much is enough." ...limitations...
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I think that one could review the product without using pictures while describing it accurately enough that magicians would know how it works but without revealing exactly what the gimmick is.

Personally, I would be interested in the strength of the magnet as I would like to make a second gimmick without having to tear apart the old one.

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On Jun 5, 2021, griz326 wrote:
I'm writing up a review of a number of products that use magnets to mechanically "create the magic."

The review will include: PK Ring, Event Horizon, Silent Assistant, and Blista.

My intention is to measure the gauss power of each device with a gauss meter that I had in my recording studio. The reason I'm posting here is that I'm wondering if including the JAC apparatus would be exposing the method. I lean toward YES. However, knowing the magnetic power of these devices might be useful to JAC owners. It also might be useful in determining "how much is enough." ...limitations...
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Life got in the way Smile

Still going to do the write up, but there are some things I must do first.
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I do not get it! Why tape the gimmick to a fixed position? Why use something so stupid as a Sansmind toy!

Watch Alex instruction and try to understand why he is saying that the gimmick should be "loose".
No rings, no tapes unless in practice, not in performance!
Have you never heard of the term "holding out"?
And the need for practice.

You are missing the subtle points in this routining!

And yes, you can show your hands empty at certain stages in the routine. Watch the instructions. Alex shows it!

This so called improvements is the same reasoning as the so called magicians who try to find the, in their mind, perfect, closing, locking, magnetic, or whatever, so called "invisible" opening in their key ring in the linking rings. (Mine has, and for about 50 years, had a wide gap of almost 2 inches, with no trouble.)

Don't destroy this routine with stupid shortcuts! Practice!
Please!


My, aren’t we just a breath of Spring?
I don’t see where changing part of the gimmick hurts or ruins the routine. Silent Assistant is not a “toy”, especially when used properly. I use it not only to show my hand empty, which by the way I do so subtly, but because the gimmick supplied causes irritation to the skin under my finger. I realize that this is probably unique in my case, however it’s a fact.
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On Jun 28, 2021, Brian Tanner wrote:
My, aren’t we just a breath of Spring?
I don’t see where changing part of the gimmick hurts or ruins the routine. Silent Assistant is not a “toy”, especially when used properly. I use it not only to show my hand empty, which by the way I do so subtly, but because the gimmick supplied causes irritation to the skin under my finger. I realize that this is probably unique in my case, however it’s a fact.


Very well put. Greg Wilson put his name on, and presented, a device very similar to SA. Of course, neither are toys. I believe the part about the tape was referring to a comment I made. Double-sided carpet tape is an excellent tool. In this case, just a small piece insures that there are no accidents with the SA gimmick, yet it is not so secure that it interferes with ditching. Personally, I do not own "Just a Cup," nor am I trying to do Alex's routine, but am sympathetic to the notion of not deviating until one is certain (after sufficient practice) that the creator's intent is problematic - or as in Brian's case, painful - in one's own particular case.

As Harry Lorayne says (to paraphrase), "Do it the way I teach it - only then make any changes you need to make it work for YOU."
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The ubiquitous band aid works perfectly for this type of deception.

The full performance has been shown in several videos.

If you buy it, you will be rewarded. He teaches how to drop the die in the opening of the cup, then have the die come out of the bottom, and yes, you can show the cup empty.

He teaches having the cup with the opening on the participants hand. Then the die drop thru the top and onto the spectators hand.

I love how he cracks his knuckles guaranteed to make people cringe.

All his little moves are pure gold.

I personally think a die and cup routine makes more sense then a cup and ball.

Will you like it? Do you like chop cup routines? This is a chop cup routine without a special cup, it's just a cup.
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