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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
I am "waiting" for the integration of it with an existing "app".
But in pre-pandemic times, this book on my desk, would have killed...
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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nbuzza New user 94 Posts |
We will be making the Pi Revelations Integration FREE to all users next week
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2298 Posts |
I have just uploaded a review show special on Pi Revelations onto my YouTube Channel. I start by interviewing David Penn about what it is and it isn’t.
Then I perform the routines and review it discussing both the pros and the cons. If you are on the fence it might be worth checking out. Here’s the link. Let me know what you think. Any questions I’m happy to answer. https://youtu.be/fc9cK2CIqQQ |
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tophatter Inner circle connecticut 3329 Posts |
Just my opinion here which means nothing Geeez that takes too long I don't care how good a performer you are your going to loose your audience
taking them on this long journery ! Horrible ! |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 16, 2021, tophatter wrote: I certainly don’t think that your opinion means nothing tophatter, but you’re definitely in the minority as far as how fooling and entertaining this routine can be. |
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The Great Dave Loyal user My Wife said "It's Me or that Stupid Magic Website!" this many times. 203 Posts |
Not for me. Too complicated, takes a rabbit hole to pull it off, and boring. I'll stick with Wild Card. Wows em every time in a heartbeat. Dave The Wave
Academy of Magical Arts
Hey Rocky, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat! Whoops, wrong hat ... |
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Greg Rostami V.I.P. Skynet will become self-aware in 2871 Posts |
Inject will now accept a space or no space between your 4 digit number and the “?”.
So, you can ask your spectator to “google” either: 1234? Or 1234 ? Both will work now. Cheers, Greg Rostami |
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pegasus Eternal Order United Kingdom 10537 Posts |
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On May 17, 2021, tophatter wrote: Absolutely. It’s a fantastic reveal but, geez, what a long winded effort to get there, and the absolute reliance on electronic gadgetry. |
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Martin Pulman Inner circle London 3399 Posts |
Is it necessary to stare at your iPhone screen throughout when it is returned to you? That would surely suggest a possible method to observant audiences?
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TheGingerWizard Special user 733 Posts |
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On May 17, 2021, The Great Dave wrote: Comparing this to wild card is hilarious. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
They should make a updated version of this one day if the idea is correct that the first 100,000 decimal points of pi would cover every conceivable 4 digit number possible. The book doesn't appear to be all that thick of a book so I don't see why this couldn't be done. This covers the scenario of the likely never to happen situation where somebody notices that it is not the real pi. The font size one could argue can be made smaller so that it doesn't increase the page count as much, but personally I would argue that the size it's set to now is ideal for performance (easy to count and read for the spectator) and I don't think the page count would become unmanageable anyway. Personally, I would not rely on a real published book or website as the formatting could change and result in the location of the four digit number to change thus indexing them would not be reliable. Publishing the book specifically for this use makes the most sense since the indexing would always be reliable.
Perhaps this could be provided as a upgrade in the future for current owners? Thus they would just be the updated book for a nominal upgrade price and then V2 would replace V1 for new purchasers. Love the idea of this thing though, especially with the presentational ideas provided by The Jerx. |
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paperinick Inner circle my faro is starting to look nice after 1177 Posts |
Consider that while a Fake Pi book can be copyrighted, a real pi book can't. Besides, while I am a nerd, I don't understand the extreme obsession of using the real Pi here. I would preferred it too, but it works great as it is.
I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death my right to say "scr*w you" if you persist. [Voltaire ]
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, paperinick wrote: It does indeed work great as is. I have quite a few live performances under my belt now. The reactions have been incredible from everyone. There is a very good reason this has sold out twice now and is by far the best selling trick of 2021 so far. You do need to be bit careful with first page. Would prefer that whole page to be fully scrutinizable. I start with a mem demo so I can easily identify audience members who I can give more time with. It will be a little cat and mouse to do it as part of a pi day celebrations at school for which it would be ideal along with magic square, knight's tour, etc. Doing a "math" show opens up a lot of possibilities with libraries and schools just like "reading" shows do. In US pi books are coprighted and protected just like any other work. The main reason I have developed a non-gimmicked version (yes, I have fully completed an I**** and am talking with a friend to program a custom app) is I want to be able to give away an inscribed book to VIPs who will appreciate it. But this doesn't take away from how great it is out of the box, not to mention the integrations. Things are going bonkers now with Flitch, tap, inception, etc taking it into exciting new directions. So much great thinking by some really talented people. Hope that clarifies my previous posts. |
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kissdadookie Inner circle 4275 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, paperinick wrote: The book really isn't all that important for this. It's the associated indexing system that is what one is really paying for. The book is really inconsequential here and I suspect that the idea was stumbled upon for this without realizing that the first 100,000 decimals of Pi would contain every conceivable 4 digit number (also, I don't know if this is true, it needs to be validated, but it was mentioned earlier in this thread). So just for perfectionists sake, it's not really a big thing to ask or suggest. Again, this effect most likely was developed and ready to go before this idea that the first 100,000 decimals of Pi may contain every single 4 digit number conceivable. This thread contains a lot of interesting discussions on this and these are all great ideas for consideration in a possible V2 release for this. It shouldn't be disregarded and should instead, be considered. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Just saw the DiceSmith integration. Spectator(s) role four dice and can even reroll some if they like. You can then immediately tell them page, line, and across number in Pi Revelations book of the four digit number made by the dice. Sweet. So for example, you can do one revelation where the numbers are shown and another where each is hidden under a spectators hand.
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, FrankFindley wrote: This is definitely super cool, but kind of seems more like a new gadgety magician pleaser. Peeking a PIN number is basically the same thing to a layperson and has the added benefit (which is a HUGE benefit IMO) of utilizing something that has value and meaning to a spectator as opposed to a completely random number. In actual practice the number determined by the dice will have to be written down and the participant will likely have to keep referring back to the written down number to remind themselves what number they are looking for. I imagine a common occurrence would be them going “ok, wait, is that it, no, wait, okay, yeah, I guess that does match”. They naturally care less about it because the number means nothing to them. But when the number is important to them and they have it committed to memory it usually jumps out at them and they recognize it before they even get to it. Which usually provides a much more genuine and surprised reaction and greatly increases the impact for everyone. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, videoman wrote: Not tracking this. Why would they have to write it down? The dice are right there in front of them. |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, FrankFindley wrote: Not strictly necessary but I would definitely write it down if not performing it close up. I presumed you had a little larger group in mind and wanted everyone to be clear on what the number is. But also to make it easier for them to see it easily as a number. Not everyone can instantly translate a series of dots into numbers and then string the 4 numbers together into a four digit number as easily as you may be able to. A volunteer is already under enough stress, why make them work even harder? Which brings me back to my original point that they are going to be looking back and forth at the book, then the dice, then back to the book, the dice, losing their place on the page, etc. I guarantee you that this will happen on occasion and greatly reduce the impact of the effect. But mainly, how does using dice seem more free than just letting them think of a number or use their Pin? Everyone has heard of loaded dice or some kind of trick dice. Would you rather someone freely name a card or have to use an electronic device to secretly determine their card? Like I said, the dice are great gizmos for magicians and at first glance it seems really cool. But I think it’s stronger to use their PIN number and secretly peek it. They have an emotional attachment to their pin much more so than a randomly created number they won’t remember 5 minutes later. But as Ustaad would say...just my opinion. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On May 20, 2021, videoman wrote: It is primarily for tablehopping. It completely eliminates f_____ enabling you to use for multiple audiences in same locale. Loaded dice is not on audience mind as the can roll before showing differences. Plus they can choose to change any numbers. In phase one you are "intuiting" the position of random number they generated. In phase two you are intuiting location of completely hidden number. That is, it can be used as a "remote viewing" demonstration. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On May 15, 2021, nbuzza wrote: This is very impressive. And thanks for including the pi integration and magicians calculator free for the next 24 hours (actually now 23 hours given time of this post). If I used iPhone I know I'd be jumping on this! |
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