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tihani New user 48 Posts |
I've only ever read palms in a professional environment or for friends.
What are some good ways to bring up the idea of doing a palm reading with a stranger in a casual environment? For example, with a waitress at a restaurant you are dining in. Something like that. I've thought about just commenting that they have a unique hand and when they ask what I mean, just giving them a short "teaser" (just a sentence or two). Then giving more if they want. Does that come across as social "weird" or off-putting though? What are some socially acceptable ways to bring it up? Cheers -Tihani |
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phedonbilek Special user Greece, Cameroon, France 883 Posts |
Be bold. Just tell her she has interesting hands. Start commenting about her fingers and palm shape. Then, if interested, segue into the lines.
Don’t make it something big. Say it casually, and seem genuinely interested. The rest will fall into place, and you’ll have a great time. Love, Phedon
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
I doubt there's a universal answer here. Other than, perhaps, "When it feels appropriate."
But, for example, I would never do anything performance-like to wait staff. Even if it doesn't seem like they're busy, they're busy. Also - what is your end goal here? What is it you are hoping to accomplish? I rarely do anything related to performance casually. If the people I'm around are asking for me to do things, and I'm in the mood for it, then I'll do some demonstrations. This approach means the people who are receiving the performance are always wanting it - I'm never forcing anything on anyone that may not want to experience it.
Christopher
Witch Doctor Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4 Boffo eBook: https://tinyurl.com/387sxkcd |
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, phedonbilek wrote: This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Thanks Phedon |
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: End goal? It's fun. It's practice. It's free marketing. I would never force anything on anyone either. Which is why after dropping a short line or two about their palm, you would gauge interest to determine whether or not to share more. And as for wait staff always being busy, that's not something I can agree with. I've worked in several restaurants where we had a lot of downtown during certain hours. But I digress, this discussion isn't whether or not people are busy. It's about how to eloquently suggest your read palms and gauge interest/response. Cheers |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: This seems a bit creepy combined with being quite a bit magic-y. A lot of magician's thinking seems to be going on here. I think this also demonstrates the difference between magicians doing readings and professional readers - or any type of professionals for that matter. Why is it magician's always want to have a trick ready to perform at a moment's notice AND worse yet feel that everyone, at any time would want to see a magic trick? They don't! It's crazy! I agree with WitchDocChris. By doing what the OP is thinking and others have suggested, you are missing the entire dynamic that you want to present. Also the entire opportunity. You want them to: 1. Learn what you do and express interest (them coming to you, not you to them) 2. Think it is really cool 3. Ask you to do it to them 4. Then you (in control) decide how you chose to proceed The dynamics of them being interested, excited, wanting and asking for it, etc. creates an entirely different dynamic or situation and positioning for yourself as the reader. This is what so many magicians miss. There is also much more than just these four points that I don't care to get into here now, but also include expectation and believability to name just a few. With those said, I know of no professional performers that would do as you suggest. Think about it as it pertains to other professionals - do you ever see a Dentist walk up to a stranger or a waitress for that matter and say "I'm a Dentist let me examine your teeth!" It's absurd. Same for a Plumber, Accountant, Racecar Driver, Fireman, lol literally any type of professional. Again, it's crazy. One of the first things I covering my trainings and coaching is adapting to the proper mindset of a working performer as it is much different than that of an amateur. This is where trying to do performance material for family and friends can be damaging, create unrealistic environments, unrealistic feedback, especially when believability of skills or special abilities is concerned. Also, in the scenario you described Thiagi, I fail to see how this can be considered "marketing." What you are doing would only set you up for very unfavorable possible bookings, which as many real workers know often have problems and nightmares written all over them. You don't want to market your amateurness. |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
Tihani, sorry I misspelled your name. I went back to fix it but it timed out.
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, Mindpro wrote: You remind me of a thing I heard some time ago. The singer Voltaire, in an interview, was talking about how he got started. He is a singer/songwriter. When he first moved to New York, when he was at parties and people asked what he did, he would say, "I'm a singer! Would you like to hear a song?" Then he'd start belting out one of his songs. It was universally not well received.
Christopher
Witch Doctor Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4 Boffo eBook: https://tinyurl.com/387sxkcd |
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, WitchDocChris wrote: But does the social dynamic change if he replies... "I'm a singer." to which the group/person asking responds with, "Well, go on then. Let's hear one."? So it goes back to... Expression of what you do. Gauge reaction and proceed accordingly. No interest, don't proceed. Interest, proceed. "I'm a singer" And then starting to immediately sing leaves out the gauge reaction part of the equation. |
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Djin Regular user 191 Posts |
In the hypothetical case in point from the original post, don't do that to a waitress. You may be enjoying your meal and think it a fine time to showcase your skill, but she's working. Sure, you may dazzle her with your palmistry, but in the meantime her other tables aren't getting served and her tips will show it. Do her the greater favor of respecting her professional time.
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
What if there are no other tables?
I hang out a hookah lounge at 2-3 in the morning when no one else is in there. Staff are always just sitting around drinking/smoking. So no, you are wrong. They are not always busy. If they were, yes, then don't bother them with it. That's pretty obvious. lol |
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
Also, a few of you have gotten WAY too caught up in the restaurant example.
This could be someone sitting a coffee shop. It could be someone else waiting in a line you are in. It could be you working as a waiter and wanting to provide a short reading a patron. (perhaps earning a bigger tip) Don't get caught up in the one suggestion. LOL |
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
But why would you want to do this? I'm trying to understand this. It seems like a look at me kind of thing. Then again I don't understand the whole social performing thing anyhow.
Especially with any type of readings, which are very personal and many take quite seriously. Plus they should be personal and take time, not something you do quickly in a line or in a mobile situation. You lose any potential credibility. Also, people will take you much more seriously when they are paying for it. |
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The_MetalMaster Veteran user Indiana 320 Posts |
Richard Webster explains how he goes about this in a few of his books. “Aura Readings for Fun and Profit” and “Tarot for Fun and Profit” he gives examples how he does this in bar and coffee shop readings. Could easily be used for palm readings too. Required reading for anybody interested in this line of work!
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sujetom New user 48 Posts |
If you do it as a way of introducing mentaism in an ethic way, not claiming that what you do is true and you use COVID-friendly protection to handle the others hands, being respectful in your aproach, it would enchance your performance and maybe create a unique experience. It'll do it.
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Michael Zarek Special user Sweden 923 Posts |
“Btw, have you ever had your palm read? Recently I’ve been going back to reading palms, mind if I try reading yours?”
Reader discretion is advised.
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tihani New user 48 Posts |
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On May 3, 2021, The_MetalMaster wrote: I forgot about that. Thanks! |
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WitchDocChris Inner circle York, PA 2614 Posts |
Funny, I've been doing readings for decades and never read any of those books.
From personal experience, I have found that many times when a magician thinks it's appropriate to perform something - it's actually not appropriate and people are just humoring them. As I said previously - when it's appropriate, go ahead and perform if you want to. I make sure it's appropriate by always waiting until someone asks me to do so. Usually a few times, at that.
Christopher
Witch Doctor Psycho Seance book: https://tinyurl.com/y873bbr4 Boffo eBook: https://tinyurl.com/387sxkcd |
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The_MetalMaster Veteran user Indiana 320 Posts |
Ian Rowland also wrote a book a few years ago on "How to Start Giving Readings." May be worth checking out too!
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
Several years ago, I was in my local bank. I had spare time (was going to pick my kid up from school after, running early). The teller was a little chatty. I don’t recall what she said, but I used it as an excuse to say “you have really good attention to detail, don’t you?” She agreed. So I asked if I could “look at something” on her hand. She held it out and I nodded and confirmed a straight, well defined head line.
I did a total of three quick readings that day on tellers. Next week, a teller who hadn’t been there on that day called me to her window because she wanted a reading. This was 3 or 4 years ago. I’m still friends with the tellers at the bank. They show me baby pictures, wedding pictures, tell me about their vacation plans. I get what amounts to informal VIP service. For investing a few minutes I had to spare anyway. For the original question, compliment something about your intended readee. Gauge interest. Ask to confirm something on the hand. You’re in. Patrick |
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