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rbromley Regular user USA 175 Posts |
Gaz, I am in agreement. I am asking why they wouldn't do it reversed as it should be, would IT NOT fool people reversed? Silly design flaw
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Yes Ryan I think it would be more fooling if made correctly it has to be Gaz 😊
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Nathan Kranzo V.I.P. 2955 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2021, Kaliix wrote: Finally someone who has a brain and performing experience!!! 🙏🙏💚 Thanks for stopping by Kaliix!!! I think people forget that Magic is inherently illogical. Once again. Don’t agree? Don’t buy it. I’d actually prefer you didn’t. https://kranzomagic.myshopify.com/products/pocket-mint More for the rest of us. ❤️❤️❤️
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
I don't get why you or anyone else keep going on about this. You've stated your position. Repeatedly. There is NO RIGHT WAY to make this since the ball is NOT physically pressing out a coin. It is a MAGICAL process that can occur in any manner the magician chooses because it is MAGIC!
Admittedly though, you don't own it and never have performed this. So unless you HAVE performed this, you nor anyone else really DON'T KNOW. You are making educated guesses, but that is it. I think I'll take the opinion of someone who has performed this repeatedly over others who are just GUESSING. Sorry my friend, but that is all that you are doing. You have not data to back up your claim. Kranzo does. This whole idea that spectators will notice these details is just not realistic. There are numerous discrepant moves in a variety of routines and effects that just move right past the audience. I was just watching tattoo you by John Bannon. The optical monte move he uses (also used in most two-card monte DB routines) to show the red and blue cards before he pulls off the signature is discrepant as heck. In fact, so is the touch force move that he uses, as the packet size changes. Obvious discrepant moves galore, yet the routine kills, as the 100% 5 or 4-star rating on Penguin indicates. I also note that you all ignored my solution to the supposed problem. It's magic or You're right, it should be reversed and yet it is not, more proof of my ability to bend the laws of physics to my will. Bask in my awesomeness... Those lines totally eliminate any supposed problem and they will work. It is not a bug, it is a feature. It is not a weakness, it is a demonstration of awesome magical abilities. It is all in how the magician chooses to frame it. Quote: On Jun 6, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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Xcath1 Inner circle 3052 Posts |
My 2 cents.
I don’t think it matters to the entertainment value of the trick that the stamp has a positive impression and positive images are perhaps a little easier to see and identify than negative impressions. I always worry a little about these brass “puzzles” since the ones I bought when I was younger the seams tended to show after a while. Brass is so soft. It does feel like Nathan (who I don’t know) has been a little rude when addressing what might be overblown concerns by some of the commenters. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Kaliix I have 2 coin presses which are correctly orientated with the mirrored image. For starters the one pound wording would look ridiculous if in the embossed moulding it wasn’t reversed as it couldn’t possibly produce the coin correctly.
If this has nothing to do with the printing of the coin then why emboss the stamp or the bottom of the container you press it into? You may as well have that blank if it served no purpose and just used your illogical magical powers? I think I am bang on the money and I think you need to reflect on your logic and take a good look at yourself in the mirror Gaz 😊 |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
It’s the stamp that should be negative to produce the positive coin not all getting coins made in reverse Gaz 😊
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Nathan Kranzo V.I.P. 2955 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2021, Kaliix wrote: Kaliix!!! Again. Thanks for being the voice of reason brother 🙏❤️🙏❤️🙏 I thought I’d share this email I just received: “I received "Stamp" today and it's brilliant! I couldn't be happier. I've been doing magic for 50 years now and have collected a huge amount of pocket type effects. This has to go right to the top. Easy to do, great looking, fit and finish perfect and totally examinable. And...a great price. Keep up the good work!” - Steve Hunsberger https://kranzomagic.myshopify.com/products/pocket-mint 🙌🙌🙌🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
No one cares if it is backwards or forwards. Very few if any would even notice. Even less would mention it. If you are doing this properly with a suitable presentation, this little image thing you KEEP going on about is nothing!
With all the other discrepant moves in magic that fly by the audience, THIS ONE is the one they will notice. Please just stop... You still studiously have avoided commenting on the two lines I offered as you KNOW they would work and totally obviate your objections. But please keep rattling on about negative images that you think matter... For the record, I'm not even a fan of the effect. I just think the reactions are silly. Quote: On Jun 6, 2021, Gaz Lawrence wrote:
The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2021, Kaliix wrote: Thank you as well Kaliix, that's all I was saying, on and on they go about the same thing and unfortunately Pegasus's astute awareness failed him when he missed that point. Glad to see others noticed.
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Ok fair enough I am not a fan of the effect either I just chase perfection and normally catch excellence.
That’s the secret of my success in life your mileage may vary Gaz 😊 |
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
This looks like so much fun to do. With all the knuckle busting sleight of hand magic out there, how fun is it to do a nice simple effect that is guarantted to fool everyone!
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PendletonThe3rd Special user 973 Posts |
I don't think it will fool anyone. There's only one place it can go and that's where it goes.
But it will be a cute little moment provided you quickly move onto something better. |
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Kaliix Inner circle Connecticut 1984 Posts |
Yes. If one was to complain about the trick, that would be my biggest gripe. It seems so freaking obvious to me. But what do I know? I don't like it and don't believe in it so I'd never do it, but that does not mean someone else who does believe, thinks it's great, and then comes up with a good presentation can't be successful. One man's trash is another man's treasure. Different strokes and all that...
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The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance; it is the illusion of knowledge.
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PendletonThe3rd Special user 973 Posts |
Very true and very well said!
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Dutchie New user 94 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2021, RNK wrote: We're magicians. Not generic "entertainers". If we you don't fool your audience, you may as well be a clown. |
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RNK Inner circle 7491 Posts |
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On Jun 7, 2021, Dutchie wrote: So being a magician is only about fooling your audience? Well, if that's your take then you've just exposed yourself of who you really are and who you really aren't.
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Calvin826 Special user 536 Posts |
Maybe cost prohibitive- but how cool would it be to apply this concept to something more custom? Like having your monogram on the stamp end and contact info (phone # or web) in the base of the cup. Instead of a quarter, have the end result be a slightly misshapen slug with your monogram on the front, contact info on the back. Again, probably too expensive to produce large scale, but if I were Mr. Deng I would definitely make one up for myself.
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Nathan Kranzo V.I.P. 2955 Posts |
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On Jun 6, 2021, Michael Rubinstein wrote: Mike thank you so much for the kind comments. By the way, LOVE the new BEAR coin effect you released!!! If you guys haven’t seen it go check out Mike’s new release!!!! THERE you go boys. One of the top pros in our field. And one of the most reputable coin men in the universe. He has been creating and performing Coin Magic for real people for over 40 years. His recent book on coin magic is considered one of the new “must have“ coin magic classics until the end of time. Yet immediately following his post some troll yells “it won’t fool anybody“. 😂 It’s hilarious. The amount of clueless guys that call themselves “magicians“ on here complaining .......it is so hilarious. The real performers and true magicians know what’s up. https://kranzomagic.myshopify.com/products/pocket-mint Get yours before they are gone!
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
I’ll be honest. I’ve been a fan of Kranzo for yrs and have used several of his effects over my 35 yrs of performing. (Yes, believe it or not I’m an actual performing pro and not a troll.). But I’m honestly surprised by the childish and unprofessional nature of his responses here. As I always teach my kids, there’s a correct way to respond to feedback even if you disagree with the feedback. How you respond, good or bad, shapes your reputation. And as we all know, it takes a lifetime to build a reputation and five seconds to destroy one.
As I’ve said, I purchased this. Will I use it in my professional set? No chance. Is it a nice quickie? Sure. Is the feedback about the reverse image legit? Yes. Does that mean the trick is bad? No. Will it fool anyone? Some people will be fooled. Some will likely look at it as a puzzle. That pretty much sums this one up. There’s no need for this much debate/name-calling/anger. |
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