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Got mine the other day and I absolutely love it! ...A great bit of thinking from Peter. He took a very old, but solid principle and turned this into a a memorable thought of card effect that's ideally suited for strolling (no reset). Also, it can also be performed quickly (15-seconds) or extended into a longer (2-3 minute) presentation. In short, Zoltar's Opener was made for WORKERS!
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Mmmm might have to get this I have been on Holiday all week and not been on line and hey presto.I purchased a Mini Zoltar speaks prop,from Waterstones ,talk about FATE,all ready have a routine with a deck of cards and the prop and tickets you get with it, been looking at the official Zoltar trade mark cards,but daft US postage stopping me getting them, so will use these for both routines, I have a gig at a Fate coming up and I am doing a Carnivale theme.
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I wonder if they will release a version with red and blue backed Zoltar designs in the deck, so that the reveal and card you hand to the spectator is not just a regular bicycle card...
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On Jul 25, 2021, videoman wrote:

My only quibble is personally I would have preferred they created another back design rather than using standard red backed bikes. Maybe a mostly red back with Tom Hanks picture or some other tie in to the movie. I think it would have given the whole deck a more realistic look as being a novelty deck and also made each reveal equally fun. They pretty much are and it’s not a big deal but that would have been my preference. But I’m sure many of you would disagree anyway. Of course I realize it would have raised the price and probably kept them from selling the gazillon they will probably sell eventually.
Maybe a “Pro” version 2.0 perhaps, in the larger sized cards too?

Final note about the back design…I’m tempted to try and make up my own if I can find an unusual back design that may go with the Zoltar or carnival theme. But I stress that of course this is absolutely unnecessary but simply something that the magic nerd inside me enjoys trying to do.


Videoman, I picked up a deck of Bicycle Kadar cards for The Man Who Knows routine by Liam Montier. These appear to be based on the Zoltar theme, might be worth a look
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As a Bizarrist and lover of the Carnival (Carnivale) theme, this looks great and will be picking this up, very good application of the principle, straightforward and simple and will fool and impress laypeople.

I also have a life size "Madam Zelda" Gypsy Fortune teller in my performing Room, complete with bleeding eyes, light up eyes and light up crystal ball. So this will play very well with this effect.
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I also have a fortune telling presentation using the Kadar Deck (mentioned by Magikmax) for the Astor Trio effect. So this will play very well with this effect also.
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On Jul 25, 2021, videoman wrote:

My only quibble is personally I would have preferred they created another back design rather than using standard red backed bikes. Maybe a mostly red back with Tom Hanks picture or some other tie in to the movie. I think it would have given the whole deck a more realistic look as being a novelty deck and also made each reveal equally fun. They pretty much are and it’s not a big deal but that would have been my preference. But I’m sure many of you would disagree anyway. Of course I realize it would have raised the price and probably kept them from selling the gazillon they will probably sell eventually.
Maybe a “Pro” version 2.0 perhaps, in the larger sized cards too?

Final note about the back design…I’m tempted to try and make up my own if I can find an unusual back design that may go with the Zoltar or carnival theme. But I stress that of course this is absolutely unnecessary but simply something that the magic nerd inside me enjoys trying to do.


Videoman, I picked up a deck of Bicycle Kadar cards for The Man Who Knows routine by Liam Montier. These appear to be based on the Zoltar theme, might be worth a look


I think the Red and Blue Zoltar cards is a good idea or perhaps a red back vintage design. The issue I see with the idea of the Tom Hanks picture on the back, is that you are then tied solely into this presentation. There are so many other presentation possibilities with the Zoltar idea - Carnivale, seaside, fortune telling etc.
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I wonder if they will release a version with red and blue backed Zoltar designs in the deck, so that the reveal and card you hand to the spectator is not just a regular bicycle card...



As I said in an earlier post, I actually put together my own modified version and it turned out pretty nice if I do say so myself. I used the Ask Alexander cards as I already had a couple of these decks.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14188

The Ask Alexander cards have red backs and follow the fortune teller theme closely enough and I actually now prefer the design difference than if they were all Zoltar cards except in red. But it would be cool if Alakazam released an add-on pack of specially printed contrasting cards.

I agree that it is not necessary at all to use different backed cards as far as the impact of the effect, however it did open up some opportunities to change the presentation just a bit to suit my style better. That’s why it was worth it to me. But I’m sure most will opt to do it exactly like Peter. The other aspect was that I felt it strange to show all Zoltar cards and then their selected card was a run of mill red bike card. That just felt anti-climactic to me but no doubt others will disagree.

Just before the reveal I mention that Zoltar had a lesser known twin brother named Richard, who most agree couldn’t pull off the turban look as well as Zoltar so that must be why...and then it ends with either Richard not being granted the same mental gift as Zoltar, or it ends with Richard being the true mind reader in the family.

So this whole endeavor has lead to a few more jokes and gags but I can still keep the routine very short and sweet as with the original.


The other additional thing I did was add SF to half of the backs of certain cards in the deck.
The reason for this is that I liked how the cards were shown to be all red backs using a dribble. The dribble can get fairly messy allowing specs to see a lot of red backs with the messy, face down deck.

However, the display of the blue Zoltar backs I felt was less convincing. I know, I know, probably magician thinking but I still didn’t care for it.
So now I can spread through them in my hands or ribbon spread them if on a table.

The trick is great straight out of the box I just like to add my own touches where I can. As I said before I believe this release is a winner. Kudos to Peter and the A team.
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[quote]On Aug 2, 2021, videoman wrote:

As I said in an earlier post, I actually put together my own modified version and it turned out pretty nice if I do say so myself. I used the Ask Alexander cards as I already had a couple of these decks.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14188

The Ask Alexander cards have red backs and follow the fortune teller theme closely enough and I actually now prefer the design difference than if they were all Zoltar cards except in red. But it would be cool if Alakazam released an add-on pack of specially printed contrasting cards.
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Thank you for the great tip videoman.

I have ordered the Zoltar Opener today but would like to know whether the red Alexander cards match-up exactly size-wise and do what they need to do, without having to carry out any arts and crafts? Smile

Many thanks.


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This is a real worker! My review will be up tomorrow un my Facebook group (Luca Volpe Mentalism Production) in Breakfast Mentalism!
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[quote]On Aug 5, 2021, caigy wrote:
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On Aug 2, 2021, videoman wrote:

As I said in an earlier post, I actually put together my own modified version and it turned out pretty nice if I do say so myself. I used the Ask Alexander cards as I already had a couple of these decks.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S14188

The Ask Alexander cards have red backs and follow the fortune teller theme closely enough and I actually now prefer the design difference than if they were all Zoltar cards except in red. But it would be cool if Alakazam released an add-on pack of specially printed contrasting cards.
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Thank you for the great tip videoman.

I have ordered the Zoltar Opener today but would like to know whether the red Alexander cards match-up exactly size-wise and do what they need to do, without having to carry out any arts and crafts? Smile

Many thanks.


Paul McCaig.


Paul, unfortunately some arts and crafts is required. I had to do some “work” to them, but since I have the required tools and have done it many times (enough to have made my own jig for the task) it was not difficult for me to do.

I even have masking templates made up to apply SF in a certain area and make it as invisible as possible.

At the moment I’m spending many hours modifying a Magic Wagon prop so obviously I see changing props to suit my taste not as work but rather as a very enjoyable endeavor. However, I am well aware that I am part of a small minority in that regard.
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Thank you videoman.

I think your suggestion is well worth the effort, so I am still going to get an Alexander Deck and ask David Diamond to professionally do the necessary 'work' to the red cards for me Smile

Many thanks again.

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Love the routine.
Not so keen on the dribble convincers.

Easily fixed by using a regular deck and just one sticky faced Zoltar card on the face.
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Great idea David, I suppose the 2 face cards could be identical jokers so there is no discrepancy when you take the selection off.
Alternatively just wrist kill the deck as you need to show the backs at that stage anyway Gaz 👍😊
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Plus there is more heat on the deck in an effect like this imo so the fact that it’s regular solves the issue.
Makes you wonder sometimes if we over complicate the invisible deck etc at times as this is a fail safe method with a 51 card deck examination if called upon Gaz 😊
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Love the routine.
Not so keen on the dribble convincers.

Easily fixed by using a regular deck and just one sticky faced Zoltar card on the face.


That is certainly a time tested method that I love. Trouble is I've used it so many times in so many ways (yes/no, right/wrong, odd color back, etc., etc.) that I have to admit that I have grown tired of it. I know that makes no difference to the specs, it's new to them, but I still can't bring myself to use it at times.

But I do like that you can go into a card set using the now regular deck. But I also like that with Zoltar you can put the card in their hand and have them turn it over at the end. So have the chosen card be normal, or have the deck be normal.

I do like using the Zoltar/Ask Alexander cards because I simply have more fun performing the routine (and that has to count for something) than it simply being an odd card out finish, and with those cards you have a plausible excuse to bring out another deck if you wish to do more card tricks straightaway.

So it all comes down to whatever you fancy. Many ways to skin a cat as they say.
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Hi,

Thank you for all the kind words and I'm glad you're liking Zoltars Opener. When creating the effect I tested various options including having blue and red backed Zoltar cards but after a few performances I decided on going for the standard back as I found the reaction to be a little stronger. There is a huge difference between the thought of card and the deck which I think hits really hard visually (either way round) but obviously this is personal opinion and you may prefer it another way.

I hope you have as much fun with it as I have.

Regards

Peter
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Love the routine.
Not so keen on the dribble convincers.

Easily fixed by using a regular deck and just one sticky faced Zoltar card on the face.


I haven’t got this yet but wouldn’t that mean that the chosen card would be the only card that isn’t examinable and they would surely want to look at that if they are going to examine the deck.
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On Aug 5, 2021, David Klass wrote:
Love the routine.
Not so keen on the dribble convincers.

Easily fixed by using a regular deck and just one sticky faced Zoltar card on the face.


I haven’t got this yet but wouldn’t that mean that the chosen card would be the only card that isn’t examinable and they would surely want to look at that if they are going to examine the deck.


Personally, I don't let anyone examine anything.
Not because I can or can't but because it disrupts the flow of performance and turns it into a puzzle/ challenge.
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It amazes me how many people are concerned about letting props get examined. Just don't let them examine your props.
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