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RandyWakeman V.I.P. Plainfield, ILLINOIS 1617 Posts |
Has anyone here looked into the history of the "Mexican Joe" work?
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MagicSponge Regular user 141 Posts |
Dear Mr. Wakeman,
While I have not reasearched the work on the Mexican Joe, I can try and help you out. I would think you will already know what I am about to post...but just to help you out, here is what I know: -All that I know about the Mexican Joe is what Vernon and Marlo wrote about it. The Mexican Joe was a crimped card (crimped in a VERY VERY wierd way.) I gathered my information on it from MINT vol. 1 (which I am sure you must have since you own so many rights to so much wonderful Marlo works (the videos, etc.) On page 250 of MINT VOL 1 is the work on Mexican Joe. Marlo states that it was first described in the 2nd volume of Vernon's Inner Secrets of Card Magic. (Classic book...the whole Vernon card trilogy volume is a gem!) Marlo then says (I quote this from pg. 250 of MINT vol 1) "I am sure Mexican Joe will not mind another brief description of how to put his work in the cards" I then ask...who or what (aside from the crimped card) was Mexican Joe? Mr. Wakeman, I sure hope this helped somehow. I am sure you have all of Marlo's work though, so maybe my post wasnt neccessary...but I sure hope I was able to help someone out in some way! Time to go practice. Thanks! Sincerely, Doug-The Magic Sponge. P.S-Mr. Randy Wakeman, thanks for keeping the Marlo works alive, and thanks for releasing footage of Marlo. He truly was a master and his works were a gem. |
RandyWakeman V.I.P. Plainfield, ILLINOIS 1617 Posts |
The basic idea is "THE DOUBLE CRIMP," found on page 86 of Farelli's Card Magic - - from 1933. I'm curious as to prior sources than Victor Farelli, though it seems clear that the idea was original with him.
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Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
All I know is the first time I saw someone use "Joe" (Daryl martinez) fooled the hell out of us. Caught us all off guard really bad. Should be required reading for magicians and too bad so many will miss out on it.
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Scott F. Guinn Inner circle "Great Scott!" aka "Palms of Putty" & "Poof Daddy G" 6586 Posts |
I learned of the Mexican Joe from Racherbaumer's book, "At the Table" about two years after being completely taken by it as performed by the great Ray Grismer in a late-night session at a Denny's restaurant. when I came across the explanation, I called Ray and asked him if that was the technique he had used to fool me so badly two years earlier, and he admitted it was.
This is one of those things that few magicians seem to know about--at least for now. My recommendation is to keep it to yourself if you know it. If you don't, buy one of the sources mentioned (not particularly easy to come by, but not impossible, either)!
"Love God, laugh more, spend more time with the ones you love, play with children, do good to those in need, and eat more ice cream. There is more to life than magic tricks." - Scott F. Guinn
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Thomas Wayne Inner circle Alaska 1977 Posts |
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On 2002-07-28 14:24, MagicSponge wrote: Actually, the Mexican Joe Crimp is a FULL-DECK crimp - every card is crimped in a "VERY VERY wierd way" - that effectively makes any deck a one-way deck. On a side note, MagicSponge, are you related in any way to my favorite cartoon character, SpongeBob Squarepants? Regards, Thomas Wayne
MOST magicians: "Here's a quarter, it's gone, you're an idiot, it's back, you're a jerk, show's over." Jerry Seinfeld
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Victor Brisbin Elite user Washington, DC / NOVA 432 Posts |
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On 2002-07-28 20:40, Scott F. Guinn wrote: I was with Scott that fateful night at Denny's. Mr. Grismer did not tip the method, except to allude to an old issue of Ireland's Magic Annual, and to state something about setting it up in the restroom. I thought we had seen an example of cutting the aces with a belly-stripper deck. But there was no observable work. Later I learned through Scott's research, and by an obscure reference in Ortiz's Annotated Erdnase how we had been taken. One of the great unspoken lessons from this unsung hero, Ray Grismer, is that people (including magicians) remember and ponder your magic for years, if you don't explain it. In this information age, when some people just expect that all will be revealed, Ray's approach to secrets is refreshing.
"It is better to practice a little than talk a lot." - Muso Kokushi
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John Smetana ???? - 2009 499 Posts |
[quote]On 2002-07-29 11:10, Victor Brisbin wrote:
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One of the great unspoken lessons from this unsung hero, Ray Grismer, is that people (including magicians) remember and ponder your magic for years, if you don't explain it. In this information age, when some people just expect that all will be revealed, Ray's approach to secrets is refreshing. I couldn't agree more. I really enjoy being burned by an effect..or fried as some would say.If I don't know how it's done the feeling stays for a while. Astonishment, as Paul Harris would say, is fun. Best thoughts, John Smetana |
El Mystico Special user 573 Posts |
If Randy is still watching here;
I agree that it seems the first printed record is THE DOUBLE CRIMP in Farelli's Card Magic - an excellent book. I would quibble with your statement 'it seems clear that the idea was original with him.' Farelli doesn't say the idea was original with him - merely that it hasn't been in print before. I'd add this; it is also referenced in The Daley Notebooks. Now, these post-date Farelli. But Daley had access to Farelli's book - he references it several times. But still he calls it the Mexican Joe Crimp.Which is, at minimum, interesting. |
Alex Day Regular user 155 Posts |
That Mexican Joe likes his magic spicy. I've tried to track down Mexican Joe but it seems like everyone is claiming to be him.
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