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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
No. It is completely different principle, based on a card mechanic's device.
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asdffdsa New user 69 Posts |
I’m not a working magician but I wouldn’t see any harm in adding this gimmick to the shows. The marked deck is great and easier to use but the most of the spectators KNOW when the magicians using a marked deck (They just don't know how the cards are marked).
I still use a marked deck and do a switch for examination if needed but the Invisible Eye is the another solution that I’m happy with as a borrowed deck will avoid the spectators (friends and relatives in my case) asking to see the deck and accusing me of performing with a marked deck. However, for the laymen, I think the examination of the cards is not the main issue and the marked deck will do just fine. |
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Neoglobin Elite user 460 Posts |
Ill agree Whit, but there are some tricks I do that I COULD accomplish using a marked deck, but no one ever suspects me using one. So like it was said, don't run when your not being chased.
Magically Yours,
Neoglobin. |
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taller8 Inner circle Olympia, Washington 1087 Posts |
Sounds a bit like Bob Solari's Double Back gimmick. Maybe not. That utilizes a very clever idea too.
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Hamilton New user Maine 90 Posts |
I am familiar with the gamblers device and the principle involved in both the invisible eye and the card swami. My question for those that use, have used, tried or even seen, them which do they prefer and why?
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gilbreath76 Loyal user 279 Posts |
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On 2004-08-01 18:15, whithaydn wrote: I've actually ran away without being chased before. It was in my patter to tell people about marked decks. We've all done that before. Psychologically, it makes us feel more secure to know that spectators know that we aren't using marked decks. Someone actually asked me, "what's a marked deck?" The invisible eye is like you said, to fool magicians. You wanna fool the lay audience, you don't need an invisible eye. |
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Paradoxical Stranger New user 14 Posts |
I have it and really like it a lot the gimmick is way cool.It's something I use subtlely and only when I need to fry a skeptic this really blows them away.
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Turk Inner circle Portland, OR 3546 Posts |
I recently purchased this from a Café member who was disappointed in the method and/or the price.
I love the method (even though it cannot be utilized under every situation or in every circumstance). The price? I blow hot and cold over the $40.00 price. On the one hand, $40.00 is a lot to spend for the gimmick itself, but, is probably not too much to spend for the secret itself. However, as more and more of this item gets sold, the exclusivity starts deminishing and, reducing directly propotional thereto, is the high value worth paid for the secret. I would willingly spend $100.00 or more for a GREAT secret that I could and would use IF that secret is of very limited distribution within the magic community. Mike P.S. I can't remember if this is in the booklet, but, I just had a flash that using this item might be a good way to practice learning your Classic Force.
Magic is a vanishing Art.
This must not be Kansas anymore, Toto. Eschew obfuscation. |
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david_a_whitehead Inner circle USA 2122 Posts |
"The marked deck is great and easier to use but the most of the spectators KNOW when the magicians using a marked deck (They just don't know how the cards are marked)."
I disagree. I use the Farmarx system to great success. As far as I could tell...no one knows I do. |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
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On 2004-08-02 06:11, asdffdsa wrote: The likelihood of spectators knowing or suspecting that you're using a marked deck is more a function of what you do with the deck than the particular type of marked deck you use. I know routines that use a marked deck where both laymen and magicians don't have a clue. |
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asdffdsa New user 69 Posts |
Larry,
Thank you for correcting my previous post. You are right about that. Routine is the key. I think I don’t have good routines or I didn’t handle it properly so my friends caught me most of the time using the marked deck. For now, I feel more comfortable using the Invisible Eye as my friends still don’t know about it. There’re also many ways to accomplish the same result as mentioned elsewhere - peeking technique, card swami, or shiner that’s made from an ordinary object. These are all good as laymen don't aware of the gimmick. But, more importantly, the routine. |
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
One difference between a marked deck and using the invisible eye, is that in regular performance, doing strolling magic, I use up a new deck every hour or so.
I don't want to carry an extra deck, and I don't want to use up a forcing deck every couple of hours. The invisible eye lets me do the same thing with a single deck of cards, and yet I can quickly replace the deck every two hours using just a new pack of Bicycles. If the spectators were to suspect a marked deck, I could always volunteer to use a deck of theirs, or to have cards merely peeked at so that no one can see the back of the card. By the way, the spectators will always tend to suspect marked cards--if that is the only possible method. So it is important to rule out the use of marked cards, for instance by not allowing anyone to see the back of the card--the card is peeked, or the spectator cuts to and replaces the chosen card. For example, the magician has the spectator shuffle the deck, place it on the table and cut to any card. The half deck is replaced on the rest of the cards, and the deck is shuffled again by the spectator. The magician shows the faces of the card to be all different, and then closes the deck and places it face down on the table. The chosen card then appears from a wallet, envelope, under a glass, etc., and is missing from the deck. |
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Larry Davidson Inner circle Boynton Beach, FL 5270 Posts |
Whit, I know you didn't direct your posting to me, but since I have experience using a marked deck professionally, I thought I'd throw in my two cents for others to consider.
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On 2004-08-29 18:26, whithaydn wrote: It certainly wouldn't make sense to ruin a gimmicked deck in that circumstance. When I perform strolling magic, I trash an ungimmicked deck in about 3 hours (due to having cards signed and folded, etc.), but I do carry a few other gimmicked decks for particular effects, including a marked deck, and those decks generally last months. Also, in some but not all strolling venues, I perform only in-the-hands effects and I don't use a table. The Invisible Eye is not a suitable alternative in those venues. Quote:
On 2004-08-29 18:26, whithaydn wrote: The particular effects I use with a marked deck require me to see the backs of the cards versus the faces. I know that sounds strange, but it would make sense if you knew what these effects were. The Invisible Eye isn't a suitable alternative in these situations. Quote:
On 2004-08-29 18:26, whithaydn wrote: In most of the venues I work, borrowing a deck of cards isn't an option. I think that peeking and other ideas you offered are good methods for negating the thought that marked cards are in play. I agree that spectators will suspect marked cards if that is the only possible alternative (an example of the "Too Perfect Theory" in action in my opinion), but there are effects using marked cards where they're not even suspected. I guess at the bottom line, I think that marked cards are an appropriate tool in certain circumstances, and the Invisible Eye is an appropriate alternative in other circumstances. With greatest respect, Larry Davidson |
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Platt Inner circle New York 2012 Posts |
I found this item for 1/2 price and bought it. It's as good as I could have imagined it to be. Totally hidden. Gives you an instant read of any card. The OOTW is ridiculously easy to do and amazing. The only problem is you need your card case but can't use your own deck. Of course you can, but as mentioned, most intelligent spectators will think the deck is marked. So that's the rub. How often will you find yourself with your cards (and cardcase) as well as in the presence of someone who can lend you their deck? Often? Okay then, you've got a miracle gimmick on your hands. Oh, and try to avoid paying $40 for this $3 item. Check ebay.
Sugar Rush is here! Freakishly visual magic. http://www.plattmagic.com
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
The price is nothing for what you get. Pure magical effects. Funny, I happened to see Dennis Marks today at the Castle using this on R. Paul Wilson and James Patton. What a session THAT WAS.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts |
They are also very time-consuming to make, and part of such a tiny niche market there are no economies of scale. I don't think they are over-priced.
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eric6 Regular user 177 Posts |
Hi Whit,
I have the Invisible Eye for some years now and never used it because I found the angles to see correctly with the gimmick not user friendly. When you work with it are you standing or sitting ? Do you use it in strolling context or do you use it only in a certain context ? Do you have a large surface to drop the thing and how do you make it unstudied ? Do you tear the tabs of your xxxx ? Could you pm me about this if you feel it’s over exposure ? Before hand thanks for all Eric |
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Alex R. Weinberg Veteran user 353 Posts |
Does any one have a Invisible Eye for sale?
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