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Rhewin
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On Dec 29, 2021, ddyment wrote:
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... I don't think there's anything even slightly insulting in "Would you like to change your mind?" in the real world.

In the real world, perhaps. But ours is not the real world: it's the world of performance and the stage. Your participants did not know they would be a part of the performance, and may well be nervous about taking centre stage. They do not fully understand their roles, and may even be somewhat unwilling. You ask them to form an opinion. Then, often for no apparent reason, you ask them if they want to form a different opinion. That's slightly insulting, suggesting that there was something wrong with what they just did at your behest. It can even invite snarky responses ("No, I'm happy with the mind I have.").

The intercourse we have with our audiences is not without consequence; every word must be carefully considered. Never assume that someone came to an opinion trivially, and is happy to change it on a whim (especially your whim).

Even in the "real world", it can be insulting. Try asking a committed anti-vaxxer if he'd like to change his mind.


I can't imagine the harm in asking something like "are you happy with your choice? If you feel like you didn't really get a free selection for whatever reason you could change to another card/item/whatever." Perhaps there are those sensitive enough that being asked this would turn their whole world on their ear and ruin the rest of their day, but I feel they are few and far in between. I think the real conclusion of this thread is to give the option sparingly, when it makes sense, and in a way that enhances the feeling of a free choice, not highlights the fact it isn't.
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I would offer the spectator the chance to change his/her mind if it doesn't really matter in the effect. If the spectator has to stay on that choice, (a force), then I shut my mouth. Stress the fairness of the force, and move on with the effect.
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Agree that offer an option to change their mind make it seems fairer
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Interesting debate!

I only consider asking when the choice is random (“pick a card, any card”) and undisclosed.

I typically refrain from asking when the choice is conscious (“Think of a card”) and/or the choice is made openly or sometimes play it up as in Doug’s post. Usually playing it up serves a purpose, for instance, covering up that a portion of the selection process used an eq***e or another technique.
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In my method of Tarot I always ask if they'd like to change their selected Tarot. In either case I'Il show them what card they had previously selected or the one I offered as a possible change .. as in" the Tarot to the left or the right" of the one they picked. They have no doubt that their selection was fair and they freely chose the random Tarot. Smile Shouldn't this be down below?????
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After a re-read of all posts above I would add concern over congruency with other Effects you have planned.

If you allow a participant to change his/her mind in one Effect, you plant the seed that they get to do so in all of your Effects.

Last thing you want is, "You said it was OK to change my mind, so I am now thinking of a name different from the one I wrote down."

Much better, methinks, to suggest and reward clear thinking or "first intuition is best."

Yes, the illusion of free choice might impact the single person involved, but negatively impact everyone else.
Since most of my presentations in past decades have been one-on-one I could use all sorts of psychological ploys
that I would never use with a group. This is one of them.
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On Mar 23, 2022, funsway wrote:
After a re-read of all posts above I would add concern over congruency with other Effects you have planned.

If you allow a participant to change his/her mind in one Effect, you plant the seed that they get to do so in all of your Effects.

Last thing you want is, "You said it was OK to change my mind, so I am now thinking of a name different from the one I wrote down."

Much better, methinks, to suggest and reward clear thinking or "first intuition is best."

Yes, the illusion of free choice might impact the single person involved, but negatively impact everyone else.
Since most of my presentations in past decades have been one-on-one I could use all sorts of psychological ploys
that I would never use with a group. This is one of them.


A great call out. I think we'd really be walking on thin ice to give the spectator a chance to change their mind on something thought of. I'd think we'd want to limit that to a choice among selected items. For example, the way Bob Cassidy gave the spectator a chance to change their selected billet in his Name and Place routine, or how you might give them a chance to switch with you on the final round of an e*****que.
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