|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2 | ||||||||||
martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 1665 Posts |
Quote:
If the performer presents it in a pleasant tongue in cheek manner, audiences love it. However, if he gives it in a "gotcha" manner as too many "magicians" do, they will not love it. This sentiment is discussed in the thread I linked to above. I agree that audiences enjoy suckers tricks, so long as the overall intention is "let's have some fun together" rather than "you're stupid because I know something you don't". This applies to almost all magic tricks, not just one with a sucker element. There is no definitive definition of the term "sucker trick", so I don't think Metaching's understanding of the term is wrong. I still think it is helpful to categorise these tricks into three: A) Those with some kind of pretend method or false explanation, e.g., the Dice Box. Sometimes this pretend method is used early in the routine but is countered by a different method later on, e.g., Silk to Egg. B) Those that expose a real method, e.g., some sequences from the classic cups and balls routine by Dai Vernon, then use a different method to cancel out the previously exposed method. This is still a controversial approach, as some magicians consider this kind of presentation a form of magic exposure. C) Those that suggest something has gone wrong, or that the magician has made a mistake, e.g., The Circus Card Trick or Dunberry Delusion by Charlie Miller. There are a lot of card tricks that fall into category C, but I don't think that there are as many that expose a real method (category B), then cancel it out with another. There are lots of card tricks that use a false explanation which is later proven to be nonsense. This is something I enjoy adding to my presentations. Marty |
|||||||||
AsL Special user 680 Posts |
[quote]On Oct 8, 2021, Metaching wrote:
Quote:
On Oct 7, 2021, AsL wrote: Completely agree. It's advice much better served with context. |
|||||||||
Kanawati Veteran user Australia 301 Posts |
This has been a really interesting and thought provoking discussion. In his great book, Dick Oslund, talks about sucker tricks and “softening the sucker.” As has already been said, it’s all in the presentation. I think Asi Wind’s performance on Penn & Teller is a great example of sucker tricks being quite magical and entertaining.
|
|||||||||
Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
My favorite sucker tricks:
|
|||||||||
Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
Here is a magician in trouble plot that is not a "sucker trick":
|
|||||||||
Ampa New user A Cellar Vault in Berlin 63 Posts |
Thank you for the clarification. Coming from Germany, the term was entirely new to me. I love tricks where the spectator believes that something has gone wrong, and then there's a complete turnaround. Personally, I find the idea from Dai Vernon fascinating, where you tell the spectator that you have extensive knowledge about fingerprints and lie detectors. Then, you go through a few cards, and in the end, even though the spectator thinks their card has already been set aside, you are holding the spectator's card. You can so much fool around with this one... So is it fair to say, this is a sucker trick? I thought it was something rude
|
|||||||||
jared23m New user 61 Posts |
||||||||||
Ampa New user A Cellar Vault in Berlin 63 Posts |
Quote:
On Nov 5, 2023, jared23m wrote: A great one indeed. I have to say, this is one of the best routines I've seen recently. The ending is absolutely fantastic; what a great idea. Thank you for sharing this marvelous piece Jared. |
|||||||||
jared23m New user 61 Posts |
Almost forgot about this one from Derren! Not a card trick but still quite relevant to the thread in my opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAXIubSTkc This one cuts it *real* close. Derren is cheeky. |
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » The workers » » What is a "sucker trick"? (11 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2 |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.03 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |